Are bulldogs actually bulldogs ? Controversial

My kinda bulldog ..

Really - theres an awful lot of "types" then that look alike such as Labradors, GSDs, Rotts, Dobes, Boxers, Chihuahuas, Poodles, Pugs & Springers to name just a few. Your sort of statement really amuses me & it does crop up from time to time

Why did you choose Am Bulldogs? If theyre not bred as a "breed/true to type" why have them?

To put it in a nutshell why knock any breed. Yes some are maybe more exaggerated than they could be, no ones denying that, however you cant condemn a whole breed (oops shouldve added "type" )because of that. The video that Dooley posted is evidence that the English Bulldog is certainly capable of working!

In a litter of eight Am Bulldog pups how many would be worked (or shown) anyway - one maybe two, the rest would go as companions. A breed/type survives because "surplus" stock is saleable to fill needs as a companion dog. A rare breeder who could keep & run on all the pups he or she breeds for any purpose.

I second that! Gorgeous example of his/her breed/type

All bullbreeds are lovely

That old chestnut again

As a wolf is not a dog , then it rather gets lost in your argument


I suggest you do some research on pure bred dogs and how they are defined!

Its always the same, "the breed cant do the job intended, along with poor health, yet I doubt anyone could argue that the "alternative" tera has shown could possibly be seen as healthy examples. not a good comparison to support an argument I think.

Anyone posting pics of their dogs with skin problems such as those poor things, would be told to go to a vet ASP.

Seems odd that someone cant see the raw skin and puffy eyes on those dogs!!

"The video that Dooley posted is evidence that the English Bulldog is certainly capable of working!"

To be honest i don't see how you can say a 28 second video is evidence of a working dog.I would have thought most dogs would be capable of that.Its not as if its anything too strenuous is it?

Has to be a wind up surely, but what the hell, I'll play the game.

Assuming you mean dogs can't be pure as they evolved from wolves, how can wolves be pure as they too evolved from another.

There's also the thinking that the black colouring seen in some wolves, was introduced to the gene pool by interbreeding with domestic dogs.

Wolves have more recently been suspected of hybridising with coyotes, especially in the coyotes Eastern range.

And why just your idea that wolves are pure...what about foxes, racoon dogs, African wild dogs, Indean dholes, jackals and certain dingo and coyote populations?...Lets not even get started on species who've evolved in isolation on Islands etc.

there are other video`s of tyson the bulldog posted on the internet over 28 seconds long, it`s proof that bulldogs are capable of much, much more than some folk would have you believe them to be. i have no doubt that tyson could bait a bull from what i have seen in other video footage of him.

No disrespect but there is a big difference between baiting a bull and running over a few obstacles and taking a sleeve.
Incidently i have bulldogs myself [albeit AB and Dorset] and we used to run one of our Dorsets on the agilty course at a agilty club every week but i doubt very much she would bait a bull.If you put a search in on here for Bandit,Dora and Hetty you will see them.
Unfortunately we lost Dora last october aged only 6.5 to a brain tumour but she was one hell of a fit dog and i'm sure people on here who met her would agree.

Even if it were legal, why would you want to bait a bull?

I would'nt.

sorry everyone my fault, i we`re just passing comment on tyson in the video i posted i actually meant he looks fit enough for the purpose he we`re bred for even though bullbaiting we`re banned so many years ago now, i didn`t mean to cause bad feeling or anything like that ianow i tried to google some info on your dogs but couldn`t find anything, i`m so sorry you lost dora very young what a crying shame i`m so very sorry to hear of your loss.

Hi Dooley, thanks for your kind comments and here's Dora.
http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?t=58432

There are more threads on here that show her plus my other dogs....Cheers..Ian.

Gorgeous wee bitch Ian, what happened to her?

Thanks, as mentioned in my earlier post she was euthanised due to a brain tumour aged 6.5 years old.She did have a very short illness and i did not allow her to suffer and did what was best under the circumstances although she is still greatly missed by us all.

Im so sorry - poor wee poppet. She obviously had a lovely life and much loved - so hard to part with them so young. We have one with renal disease so in part i understand how you felt

she was lovely , beautiful expression, i`m so sorry you lost her in her prime, just awful

What I don't get though is why your talking about the name and real 'bulldogs' I've been thinking about this, and the dogs in this thread aren't for hunting bulls, but are actually for hunting boars, so are the ones in this thread also 'real' bull dogs .

I have to say though with the pedigree debate, thinking about it, its humans who have decided that dogs are pedigree, who decides when a dog is pure, there are linebred working dogs that are the same in type but are not considered pedigree, I've even heard of some staghounds in the US where some lines have been bred for longer then some pedigree breeds, so who decides what dogs are pedigree and what ones aren't, it is IMHO all man made, as long as people are wanting it they are so called pedigree animals, but in reality all come out of crossing breeds, its just that now they have a name and a standard attached, and tbh sometimes the standard is not for the best of the animal, but better for people who want a dog that looks good.

They dont always look good either Chaz depending on your definition. I wont get into a pedigree debate - thats another thread

Breed standards are not about people wanting a dog to "look good", standards were set for a purpose, and breeds were bred to fit that purpose!