Looking for Panamint... (breeder) General Chat

Thank u for this information it is very helpful in hhelping me choose a healthy happy pup

she has been debating breeding *Tiggersprings Daisy* for a long time but due to her husbands failing health they have been short on money. it is not something she is undertaking lightly and it is still in the planning stages atm.

If she is "short on money" and her husband has "failing health", should they be breeding at all? how are they going to afford all the correct health tests for the bitch and stud fees? never mind the costs associated with actually raising the litter...or god fobid anything goes wrong (insurance won't cover any conditions related to pregnancy).

im sorry,but the whole thing seems dodgy to me..unthought out with little knowledge among other things.

u r judging people u have never met. i asked for help finding a line of dogs, i asked for opinions on docking i did not ask to have my freinds and relatives slandered. these dogs r the best springers i have ever known.

People are only "judging" based on information you have provided and frankly, the whole situation surrounding the breeding of these dogs sounds dodgy to say the least. Most of this forum are passionate about their dog breeds and ethical breeding...so yes you are going to get "judged" (or more actually, given opinions; this is a discussion forum) if you put information about dodgy breeding practices for all to see.

From what I can gather, a friend of yours has a bitch that is not health tested that they want to breed and you/they have not yet picked a stud dog and don't know what to look for anyway. The bitch owners according to you are also lacking in finance & health problems may be an issue. All these factors ring alarm bells for me.

Alarm bells have been ringing for me from day one:?

i joined this site foor help advice and guidence, ur right i dont kno much, most of u have been breeding dogs since b4 i was born. i want to learn more but atm i feel constantly put down by everyoine on this site, no one understands what i am rying to say.

maybe you dont understand what we are trying to say ;-)

i kno everyone is trying to help me get a really healthy pup, but i do worry that i have completely blackened this breeders name and she is a good breeder. i wont b posting anymore because i am just ruining everything for everyone.

or you could be making it better ;-) (by learning and hopefully taking advice)

This....

And you haven't "blackened" your breeders name because we don't know your breeders name. Perhaps you could use the information gained here and pass it on to the breeder. If they are a close family friend like you say, it should be well received.

As the above post says, I think, you are the one who does nto understand what we have to say, your breeder is NOT a good breeder,s he is breedign for the wrogn reasons, she has not dont any health tests, she has not got a stud dog in mind....... she should have been looking at dogs to complment her bitch , in type and health, yet she is allowing you (no offence intended) someone who has no experience in dogs to pick out a stud dog for her... the impression you give is "any" liver and white dog will do.

All the above does not equate to a good breeder.

The problem here is you came here and "told" up what makes a good breeder, along with other misguided views on breeding and docking, you are not listening o anything anyone has to say, and if you are really interested in learning, you will perhaps , take a step back and do a little research on this site and take on-board what peopel are saying.

From a person who does not breed, but has recently got two pup ESS' I do wonder if you know so little about this, how you can say that she is such a good breeder, surely if she is she does not need your help, and would have her own views on a stud, docking and not need you to look for a suitable dog on a forum?

or do I have this wrong?

It sounds to me like you may as well just pick a puppy that is already up for sale from a breeder and buy one you like the look of rather than bringing a new litter by this breeder who doesnt sound like it is the right thing for her to do (unless she wants to make money from selling a few pups!!!!), cos you so far are going to have pick to dictate her litter with no one else lined up to buy them. You could have a pup a hole sight quicker that is already planned for and on the way probably!

i really do appriciate all of this and have communicated what i have been told witht he breeder, she is going to save up for health tests so is postponing the litter for a year. i hope this helps to make her sound like a better person, i probably havent given her much credit. i hope there is much to learn on this site and that everyone will b understanding if i say the wrong thing or mess up again. i have choosen to get a dog from this breeder because of the temperment and i have no knowledge of any health issues but as i have said she is gonna get all the health checks done. i am sorry if i have offended anyone. thank u all for ur time and advice.

You have not offended anyone. We are a passionate lot here and this can come over as over exuberance in our replies.However, you have listened,and taken on board what people were trying to tell you.I understand your liking of a particular dogs temperament and your wanting a pup from her.Maybe in the time you have you might also do some research into looking what other lines you like, meet some of their pups and then you will be able to make comparisons.

You might also meet a pup who is in rescue and needing a home.....who knows what time will bring.

I look forward to hearing how you get on.

I know that you have said that you really want one from this breeder, but trust me there are other breeders who breed dogs with great temperaments, health and looks, and you could get your much awaited dog with a fully researchable pedigree quicker than your friend who sounds like she really has a lot to learn if you could teach her about health testing.

I would look around you may have your eyes opened to some beautiful springers from breeders currently fully aware of what makes a great dog. Good luck with your search we are certainly loving our two pups.

Only just caught this....my friends springer from very well known working lines has severe HD. His main exercise consists of hydrotherapy, she is contemplating surgery for him.

When he was hipscored the vet said he has the worst hips he has ever seen.

Poor pup. :-(

If only health testing was mandatory before breeding, it would save dogs a lot pain and suffering.

Surely then if this person breeds regularly, and isnt it just unfortunate or it would be coming out in more of their dogs?