Looking for Panamint... (breeder) General Chat

What utter twaddle

Its impossible to tell a dog has HD by looking at it, if you could do you think we'd waste our time and money xraying.
A dog can be sound to all intents and purposes but have a whopping hipscore and shouldnt be bred from thats why all dogs with HD in the breeding should be scored before breeding from them is even considered.

I have a GSD who looks perfectly fit and sound and shows no sign of any problems. She is as good to look at as my other one BUT she has a whopping hip score of 78.

My friend had a stunning welsh looked perfect came in at 44/44

You are missing the point, you said you could tell if a dog had HD, we'd all love to know. You also said working Springers dont have HD yet Ive pointed you to the BASC site stating they do. Plus they have a reasonably high mean average. How do you explain that?

......in some cases? You maybe able to tell, just by looking??

I never said I could tell if a dog had hip dysplasia, I said “usually”-and by that I meant limping/bunny hopping etc…obviously in older dogs…6mths+

Most breeders of working Springers don’t hip score…………….you ask them why they don’t hip score?-

I don’t know why…..?.......maybe because it’s not a problem with the breed?.......

All I’m saying, I’ve never know a working type ESS to have HD, or to have been hip scored.

But thanks to over/inbreeding……it might have to change, going by the current “mean” hip score.

Does a high hip score mean hip dysplasia?

But its very rare and your missing the point anyway. If we all hipscored we could make steps at eradicating the problem its no good saying it looks like its got HD and not bothering to score it and make sure.

If you are happy with thinking along those lines, then so be it.

Sorry Panamint I can't help you but will try to bring your post back on topic
Can you go through the KC?
When you get your pup, don't forget we want loads of pics

thanks nippy. yh i will post many pics. i have no idea when it will happen as we r looking for a nice stud so any handsoome liver and white springers out there would b greatfully received.

No you can't dogs can be unsound & yet have a good LOW hip score, they might be over/under angulated or simply not muscled up

One reason no one can tell my bitch has HD is that she is in good hard muscular condition

One reason the Field Trial/working ESS are not scored or have any other health tests done is that it is cheaper to buy/breed a new puppy than to have all the tests done. The majority of working/field trial gundogs owners will rid themselves of any dog that they think has a health problems & any dog that doesn't appear to be affected by a health condiition they believe isn't affected

You have labradors you should know the answer to that question.

A dog with a hip score of 1 has HD, only dogs like our Echo(who had 0:0=0 hips)don't have HD

Go to this website: http://www.esspedigrees.co.uk/
Go to "Database Search"
Type in Panamint in the search bar
Click "search now"

It should bring up about half a dozen Panamint dogs, that's the only way I can find any information re Panamint. You might be able to further your search by looking through those dogs and the litters they produced.

I really do hope you do some serious research and pick a suitable, fully health tested stud dog, but I have a horrible feeling you won't.

Please give the need for this mating some serious thought - there are already whole litters of working Springers being handed into rescue as no one wants them. The last thing breed rescues need right now is people adding to that number by producing litters willy nilly.

I am sorry, am really confused now:?

I though you were buying a puppy from a breeder, not breeding your bitch, and advertising for a stud:?

I think the bitch is a friends dog who is worked, the fact there is no knowledge of health tests and any liver and white stud will do fills me with dread though.

You and me both Jackie, I've never known a breeder allow some one pick a stud dog for them.

i am getting a pup from a breeder but i am helping her choose the stud, Rip i have been doing lots of research and have looked at a DNA check stud dog

Just be aware that only 2 (3 if you count PFK) of the diseases ESS are prone to are available for DNA testing, the others you will need to request the paperwork for.

I still have Isla's MRD cert done at 5/6 weeks old!

Why are you helping the breeder find a stud dog? She/he should have planned this many many months in advance.