Prancing Malinois Videos

Really??? Dogs are not normally used at part of a firearms squad, it is simply too dangerous. I have never heard of this before...and i have worked at one of the largest police dog training centres!

good question, the guy at keston police dog training school just said they found belgian cuddly trait not conducive to police dog work and so werent going to go beyond the 2 dogs they had for breeding. maybe it's down to the training regimes employed and the fact the other countires did persevere with breeding for the right working temperament?
for example, a hughly respected danish police mal trainer was sent to america to work with their one of their city mal police dog units. he took his dog with him, and explained it was also the family pet. the america coppers thought he nuts, as their males were mean ********. i may be wrong, but i heard american police dogs are allowed to attack?
they saw his dog in action, and he was just as mean and driven as their ones. then he told them he will now use his little boy as the stooge hidden inside the wardrobe, at which point they thought him doubly nuts. he sent his mal in and called him off easy, the americans were quite stunned, as they said in the same situation their kids would have mullered.

that's interesting to hear.

i did cani x with a mal, but he isnt breed standard, he is double height, a bloody giant.

i took him jogging at 3pm in 32 degrees one afternoon.
i couldnt pace into the run as normal, he jogged full peft the first 1.5 miles!
but after 4 miles, he was burnt out and i came much back less puffed out than him!

Now that is scary, so if the dog locks on to the wrong person when sent in to stop a suspect/criminal whatever, they would have no way of stopping it?!!

I'll stick my flame suit on for this one...

But I really dislike the style of heeling where the dog is literally attached to the handler. Doesn't look natural at all. JMHO.

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my memory was wrong. my danish fiance just told me the story is correct, except the danish dog was a GSD and the american dogs were malinois
the documentary was in danish, thats my excuse!

she just told me that the documentary said the american dogs would attack anyone else in the hiding place and they can bite.
the american coppers would have to pull the dog off.
whereas in dK they can only find and bark until someone starts running then they are allowed to bring them down and hold them. the holding normally just involves standing over the crim barking.
the danish dogs can always be called off.

I hope you are watching the same film clip I am. There are many, many, minutes of that file where the dog is NOT attached.

the belgians are a bit prancey as a breed anyway, as their stature is naturally tippy toed, so you could argue this kind of heel work could be natural for a belgian.

There is so much mis-conception here. I can call a dog off anytime we want to. And he NEVER goes in unless it is the suspect. The person is given a standard warning to come out or the dog will be sent in. The dog knows which person is the one by the scent. He might be armed, he might not be, who knows. But, he was given the warning to come out, if he does not, then he will be brought out.

So many false thing said and then people believe that stuff.
My Mal can run you down and keep you at bay if given the command for a half hour if need be. If the man chooses not to stand there and runs, he is a genuine fool.

I don't remember what the guy's position was, but he was from Netley dog section and had been asked to judge a fun dog show at our neighbourhood fete in Portsmouth. He arrived in a dog van (but with no dogs). He soon spotted my puppy was a Belgian cross, and we spent quite a long time talking about the breed after the show. He had a colleague with him who joked that he'd cleared a space in the back of the van and was planning to kidnap Merlin! This would have been about 5 years ago.

I also remember seeing a programme on Animal Planet about 8 years ago, about the crack team of Malinois who are part of an Austrian special firearms squad. They had a hidden camera in a building where a stooge "gunman" was holding a weapon, and the dog jumped through an open window about 6ft off the ground and took out the arm holding the "gun" incredibly fast.

I know abroad they use the dogs against people armed with firearms, but in the uk it is generally considered too dangerous...the dogs may be quick enough to grab the arm holding the gun but the risk of the weapon being fired is just too great a risk.
As somene has said, gp dogs within the uk police forces are trained to bite only when a suspect runs or uses threatening behaviour (waving arms etc) so it just would not be feasable to use these dogs against someone holding a gun steady...and if they are not calm holding a weapon then they will most likely be shot or tazered.

The use of mals is increasing and rightly so i believe, it would not surprise me if eventually the use of gsd's will be phased out in some police forces.

That was the trend for awhile, now it is reversing. As for Law Enforcement, they are starting to go back to shepherds, as it should be, military probably should as well. The level of training is not that of top level sport. In addition, the typical personality of a law enforcement officer lends them to be more adaptable to a shepherd.

I was in a forum the other day and attack by some guy. This was his statement below.

I work for a facility that trains K9 and we only use GSD's. I've seen maybe 1 mal in the 7 years I've been there as a K9, some labs and a drahar for drug/bomb work, but thats it. My experience with mals is limited, I really havent worked with one I've actually enjoyed, my understanding is GSD's are used because they are more about pleasing thier handler rather than pleasing themselves. I think the reason so many people think malinois are drivier than GSD's is because of the hordes of "trainers" out there that seem to think hyperactivity=drive.

And this is how I had to reply and set him straight.....

KCzaja, By your own admission your experience with Mals is limited. If you have only seen one good Mal in 7 years, I would say you are not seeing very many of them or your training facility does not work well with them. DR, I would like to hear your opinion on why you think Mal's are not better(strictly in the work) than GSD's. I was mistaken in that Orry was an FCI champion. Erika Mat-Roz won in 1997, 10 years ago. Pick a bite work sport venue, any venue, in which Mals do not completely dominate. IPO, DVG, French Ring, Mondio Ring, Belgian Ring, KNPV, PSA. Name one shepherd in the last 10 years that have won a National or World Championship in any of these sports. I can tell you one. Jon Donias GSD won last years PSA level 2. Other than it just has not happened. The Belgians and the Dutch put shepherds into their Mals but outright GSD's just don't beat Mals. Sorry but facts are facts.

He never did respond back...

I love watching Malis work.
As clever as my GSD boy is...Trixie outsmarts him every time.
We did some searches at the training field, with the articles hidden under barrels & tyres.
Chad circled them & indicated, Trixie went on top of the tyres, down the middle, got the article & came back out.

You show her a new task, repeat 2 or 3 times & she's got it in her head.

The only problem I'm having with her is anticipation.

At a show last year we saw an army display team & they came over after & asked all about her, she was most interested in the bite sleeve.

Start working with the bite sleeve then. Contrary to what others think, it teaches them a lot more than just biting.. I use the one below with the jute cover. I like the jute cover more than the french linen...

what were my misconceptions?

And that might be a LOT sooner than I thought......

That's the plan with her Rick, but I had to build her confidence & get a 100% release (out) command 1st. She had "issues" with Men wearing dark clothing & work wear in general, so I've had to get her over that too.
She's only 14 Months , so no rush.

Until Siren - I never intended teaching any of my dogs to move this way.....they just did - or maybe its just the way I teach heelwork??

Well, it is a big mis-conception if you think that whenever a Malinois is sent in after someone, he will just go ahead and bite whoever is in there.....Like I said, he already has the scent of the person that is in there, that is who he will go after.

i never said that