Prancing Malinois Videos

It is so beautiful when you can get a Malinois to Prance Heel.

Oh wow that is pure concentration and love in that dog! Its lovely to see! Wish my boys would do soemthing like this...not a chance lol

Lovely dog but I hate to see dogs trained with prong (covered or not) and electric collars

I am with you there abbie. It CAN be done without, and thankfully the way we are going in Europe, it will be.

Please don't get me wrong. I understand what you are saying about the electric collars. When I trained in the military for 10 years back in the early 70's, that is exactly what they were using, the old E-collars. If you wanted to feel what the dog would feel, put one around your own neck and you would get the heck shocked out of you.

Some of the new collars they are using now (not E-collars) you could put around your neck (I have done it) and you recieve no shock at all. More of a stimulation, an annoyance which really just bugs the heck out them.

Then again it depends on the breed and what you are training for. Some breeds are so easy to train with praise and treats, and if it can be done that way, that is the way to go. The end result is that he is going to do what he is commanded to do. With the dogs on the force, when you put them on a man, and you need to call them off before they start ripping flesh down to the bone, they must release. Some dogs, no matter what, it is so very hard to get them to release. And the ones that do, it all had to do with their early attack training. And I can guarantee you that most are not done by giving a dog biscuit.

A Malinois has such an "on and off" switch like no other breed. They get so fired up when working. Also understand that prancing video is not my dog, just posted it to show the beauty of a prancer. Some gal in Europe, she is pretty famous on the Internet.

Anyway, have a great one, Boomer and I are hitting the sack...............

Take the time to search the forum, for opinions on e.collars, (old type or new) and you will see you are a preaching losing battle,

MOST of the members here are not fans of them, and to be honest, probably would extend that to the UK, there are a few peopel around who promote and use them, but as I said read up on the forum, and you will see what I mean.

As the others, cant really admire any of the videos, when such methods are used to get the results.

The argument of trying it yourself, doge not wash I am afraid.

To me the Dog looks to be working with all its attention on the ball release. I have the ball release waistcoat myself & it certainly works with a drivey Dog, such as my youngster.
The collar could well be the vibration type Rick has described.
With some intense breeds they do the trick when the Dog becomes fixated.

Wow stunning dog, I love malis!

Am I right in thinking the prance has a genetic aspect or is it all training?

Adam

I have taught 2 BC's, a Gundog X and a GSD (possibly Malix) to do it - Loads of Goldies work that way as well. So I don't think its genetic.

drool. big Mali fan here

unless yourself or others are asking ecollar trainers to try them out themselves ;-)

I keep doing that and failing!----I think you might have to remove the offending article from your post?

rune

Thanks, I often wondered if it was something like that. No doubt it can be trained in another breed but comes more naturally to malis.

I guess their physic makes it more exaggerated as well.

Btw were the police bsd you mentioned on another thread malis?

Adam

they were, yes,

but it was a trial a few yrs back, they dont really have them in service now

Thats interesting, I remember you said they were too soft (or similar) I think I have seen malinois in some police forces (send in the dogs) but seems nowhere near as popular as gsds.

Why do you think it is that the uk seems to have reasonably few malis in police service but other countries are expanding their use of them?

Adam

my little bro has come across many a BSD/DSD and their crosses in his line of work.

They are there and the numbers are expanding, but are used in areas where the average person probably wouldn't encounter them. Some are used by the MOD - someone I know has bred several that have been taken by the MOD and police.

I was talking to a trainer from Hampshire constabulary dog section a few years ago and he said their Malis are with the firearms squad... so no, you wouldn't see them very often.

I can pretty much answer this question for you. I cannot speak that much about the police forces in UK for I am in the United States. Here, the swing has been more to the Malinois. The biggest reason is the health problems the GSD has for extended police work. Unless you get one right over from Europe, they have too many health problems. So much inbreeding going on that it is hard to find a good service dog with good hips. The other reason is agility. The Malinois (its just a fact) can hit probably 5 times harder than a GSD, and for covering a distance on a run they do not become exhausted as fast. That is partly because of the weight. The average Malinois male is never going to be over 70 pounds, most around 65. My dog Boomer is a pretty stocky Malinois, coming in at 92 pounds, but will still cover a 100 yards pretty darn fast..

I have owned and worked with Dobermans, GSD's both in family life and on the job, and will stay with the Malinois. But, it is like with a Ford and a Chevy, everyone has their own thoughts........

My next dog will be a Mali

And mine