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Dunno about you Dawn but I am off to the vets tomorrow to see if she can tell me how long Barney is going to live. Or will it be only Gnashers vet that can do that?

Well Id steer clear of Gnashers Vet if I were you! Just think if Vets could do that, they really would be EVEN more wealthy than many already are!

Septocaemia would have shown symptoms that Vet should have picked up especially when he/ she was so good that they could predict a death age lol Bloody insurance companies would benefit from your Vets information lol

After recent surgery wouldn't septicaemia but one of things a vet would suspect in a case like this?
Very sad that it wasn't picked up though.

Its the PRIME concern after any surgery.

To be fair
I had a vet who told me not to have a dog pts because he would only live for a few more months, didn't seem to be suffering and it would be kinder if he died at home. Wish I hadn't listened to them.:-(

But vets do tend to extrapolate ... because Loki went more than a year without fits, they said we could reduce the drugs with a view to taking him off them. I decided that, because of the severity of his fits, the fact that I believe his epilepsy is hereditary and because there are no serious side effects that we are aware of, we wouldn't try to reduce them for now. Lo and behold, he had fits.

Please take note of the word "probably". I have never heard a psychic use the word probably - strange that

As I have already explained before, Hal was not displaying any symptoms, so the vet had ruled out any post-operative problems because he appeared so "well".

It was only with us that he displayed symptoms - this was what was so tragic. A vet can only go only what he or she perceives in the surgery. I blame myself for not being more assertive. It's all history now and what's done is done, but I have learned from this experience and will not make the same mistake again.

Of course, but Hal was displaying none of the symptoms - clinical or otherwise.

Yes you are right, but Hal was displaying no medical symptoms.

Are you seriously expecting us to believe a dog can independently turn his temperature up and down, reduce his cardiac arythmia, stop his organs from failing, all when he walks into the Vets and when he gets home they all come back again? Please, do us a favour. They are only a few of the symptoms that can occur.

Yes - the first time this happened, I had him in the back of the car behind the dog grill. I was in floods of tears because I honestly thought he was dying, and I was taking him to the vet to be put down. Believe this or believe it not, I would hardly lie about something so close to my heart, but as we approached Towcester I looked in the rear view mirror and could see him lying in the back, head hung down, and I thought he had died. I called out "Hal, Hal" and his head came up, and I thought to myself perhaps there's a chance. When we arrived at the vets, I opened the back, and out he jumped.

You cannot blame the vet - I told her what I have just typed here, and she probably thought I was absolutely bonkers. I really don't care whether you believe me or not, but what I have just typed is the absolute truth.

hi gnasher

no need to pm me about an apology

as said, Hal could very well of been hipscored and im glad if he was but you havnt actually provided the proof,so cut me some slack
..... was he on the working dog register with the kc then?

Well if it had been me I would have wanted a Necropsy done incase it was something that had happened to him during the routine op!!!

What was the "routine" op?

No - I forgot to bring the documentation into work with me today, so I'm working from memory, but I think we must have agreed for Hal's results to be used for some register or other. Our vet wrote on the compliment slip about Guide Dogs for the Blind because I think she was making the point that although Hal's scores were good, they would not be good enough for GDFTB because they demanded a score of 0.

I think you know that I am telling the truth - I could hardly have made up what I copied down, I have no idea what it all meant, I just copied the different scores of the certificate. I'll try and get the scanner working tonight at home, but I really don't know how without OH's help, and he is less than happy about me scanning in the certificate, so i will probably just PM it to you Tupacs.

You know full well Dawn, because I have told you many times before.

Kidney stones - he had either Cystine stones, or Struvite, I can't remember which but he had the much rarer sort - of course! You wouldn't expect anything to do with Hal to be normal! About once a year, he had to go into the vets to have them removed. This was the second operation.

Far too expensive! Our insurance wouldn't have covered us, and what was the point? Would it bring Hal back? No. Was it gross negligence on the part of the vet? No. It was just one of those very unfortunate things - a combination of Hal's extraordinary ability to mask his symptoms, even though he must have been in acute pain, and our reluctance to appear hypochondriacs on behalf of our dog.

gnasher.... you could easily of made it up....also what date was he scored?.. what do u mean'I think we must have agreed for Hal's results to be used for some register or other.' :?... he prob would of had to be on a kc register beforehand(im sure someone will correct me if im wrong)
nooo not more pm's
ps... what relevance is the gdba?,was he a guide dog in training too lol.

Look, I have no idea, it was ages ago the scan was done, you will just have to wait for the answers to your interrogation until I have scanned in the certificate. I have already explained - I think the vet put on the compliment slip about GDFTB just to demonstrate that the score although excellent for such an old dog was not good enough for GDFTB to use were he a guide dog, which of course he wasn't!"! I cannot think of anything MORE terrifying than Hal as a guide dog!!

If you still think I could be making all this up, you must be truly paranoid. I have no idea what all those different results mean that I quoted, I know nothing about hip scores whatsoever, or the relevance of them, other than the total score was good for an elderly dog.