Discussion split from NI and Utonagan owners thread Discussions

Because behaviour is no more a reliable indication than looks.
If you get Collies/Spaniels etc etc who behave this way...how can you say that a dog (who bears very little resemblance to a wolf) has wolf content because of its behaviour patterns?

JK coined the name "northern inuit" for her clients who bought pups from her to use instead of the "w" word when Defra imposed their ban etc. etc. We bought Hal in 1997, and I would think, as i said before, this could be around the time when JK started to call her w x's northern inuits. Shall we all place bets and see who is right? The winner can donate some money to a dog charity of their choice.

I would like to say 1999.

Of course I've just remembered - I think DEFRA was MAFF back then wasn't it?

ok i ve had this thread up to my ears... gnasher you want to believe you had a wolf cross... imo all it was was a marketing ploy,i also do not believe the twaddle about eddie doing it for health..i do not believe any of her dogs were health tested..and forgive me if im wrong and would love to be proved wrong..i m not convinced Hal had his hips scored either.
its your fantasy and im glad you are happy with it.but please do nor glorify wolf hybrids as domestic pets! tis irresponsible and i do not think you know the reality just your fairytale.

imo my tupac has more wolfblood then your hal ever did(imo most likely 0)

O sorry, when did you ask before? Must have missed it

I had Hal hipscored, I am ashamed to say, only before his second mating. In the early Eddy days, it was not something that was ever thought about. It should have been of course, and I for one am not proud of the fact that for the first litter Hal was not scored. None of Eddy's dogs had bad hips that I could discover - even JK admitted that the pups Eddy bred always had good hip scores - i honestly don't know whether Eddy hip scored, but I am pretty sure she didn't.

Hal's scores were 6 and 6 at 8 years old. The vet said these were excellent scores for a dog of that age.

I have just posted up his scores - 6 and 6. If you would like to see confirmation from the vet, I am sure she would oblige. We probably still have the paperwork for this, because the owner of Skye wanted evidence that he had good hips before using Hal as a stud. At the same time, we had him microchipped and his teeth cleaned, all under the one anaesthetic.

That in itself is interesting.......captive bred wolves are know to have bad hips.....I believe this was one of the issues with CsVs when they were first bred

see for the health pmsl lololol ...you talk nonsense...that statement alone is utter tosh!!!.... good hips? without scoring? how clever you all are !!!

Behaviour IS far more reliable than looks, if you have a wolf cross

I am not saying that a non-wolfy dog - like your spaniel - has wolf content - when did I ever say that? I suggested as a throw-away line more than anything that MAYBE (if he hadn't been left to go bush) he could be a throw-back in genetic terms, it wasn't really meant to be taken seriously even.

But the point I am making is that if a dog starts his life as effectively a feral dog, never laying eyes on a human being, then quite clearly he can end up with some very wolf-like behaviour, such as your little spaniel friend might have been doing.

pmsl... you would have it! the vets would be filed away long ago..... yet again i do not believe you,but hey ho...believe your fairytale ...just do not glorify wolf hybrids as imo you have never lived with one yourself!

Clearly, seeing as my vet said to me "you don't need to worry about Hal's hipscore, it will be fine". I still of course had it done, as I should have done before the first mating, I fully accept that.

What do you think of his scores then? 6 and 6 at the age of 8 is not bad for a mongrel is it!!

for you that wants to convince everyone and yourself ,...considering your dogs do not remotely look wolfy its a good one to use lol

oh i see a vet with x ray vision...it gets more ridiculous

till i see the bva form i do not believe you soz :-(

I know - I am countering your argument by saying it is flawed

You say behaviour is an effective indicator.....I do not see how that can be the case when breeds who have NO close relationship to wolves will offer the same behaviours.

You are so busy being downright rude and obnoxious that you cannot even read properly. I am pretty sure I will have the paperwork at home for Hal's teeth cleaning, microchipping and hip score. We would have certainly claimed for some of these fees under his insurance, because his teeth were filthy due to the first 5 years of his life being fed on ghastly kibble instead of raw, so therefore I am sure we will still have the paperwork.

And then my dear, I will have the greatest fun seeing how I can scan it in and paste it up on here for you to eat your words. If not, I will ask my vet in Towcester to see if she can verify his hip scores.

Thort you said you'd had enough of this thread!!

Sorry, it's the end of a very long and hard week, and I am tired!

ALL breeds have a close relationship to wolves simply because they are all descended from wolves, so of COURSE they have the potential at least to display wolflike behaviour if left totally unsocialised and handled by humans at that vital part of their lives at around 3 weeks.

I have known some very wolf-like farm collies, I must say, you couldn't get near them, couldn't stroke them.

as i said gnasher.. i said 'forgive me if im wrong' and ' i would love to be proven wrong'

whats wrong for asking for the bva certificate you would of had?
i would ask any breeder the same :?

No, not at all, she is a very experienced vet of many years standing. She manipulated Hal's hips on the table and said if he had bad scores, she would be staggered because his hips were absolutely fine. I have no idea how she could say this because I am not a vet.

You are going to have to eat a lot of humble pie my dear girl.

...and so....behaviour is not a good indication of a close wolf ancestry.

good im glad and will have no problem.... scan the bva certificate and i will eat humble pie no prob