Cross breeding Controversial

It shouldn't be.......but I guess things go in price trends....and people are going to look at what others get for their pups and price to be equal or competitive.

Probably the next fad cross breed---Poodle x Clumber Spaniel Mmm nice mix --NOT

Your right I shouldn't have. But I did find out what a cloodle is, collie x poodle.

..... i know i said i wouldnt post again..... but when i started agility i knew of a litter of this cross... great dogs thing is it was an accident mating,the collie was only a pup(the male) and when they tried to repeat it ..lets just say...the bitch was a toy poodle..and the collie had ermm,,, grown up ;-)

Not, dont agree with it find it totally misleading. Have always said I dont agree with this. By all means provide information on the lines but dont produce a register for it.

Google Poo dogs website as they are advertising the 1st rare litter of Cloodles in the UK Not collie x poodle Then again the way they produce litters it could be any bloomin cross aargh

Actually becoming more popular in Agility (fast Small and Medium dogs) and also there are a couple in HtM...one purchased by a guy who does very well ...called his 'Asbo' dog

Well as rare as they are trying to make them out to be, they have had to reduce the price to sell them. Let's hope this puts them off breeding that cross again. And they were originaly charging £950 for a pup.

That website has made my blood boil!

"Extremely rare litter" , what a ******** joke!

No , Its nto something that would effect the price of a pedigree, in fact from what some of my friends say, the price of a pedigree may have dropped in some breeds, (nothing to do with the designer breeds) but the economy

There are lots of those around, one big collie breeder does it a lot. Not with poodle bitches though

rune

Cloodles

Clumber/Standard poodle,

A very posh puppy farmer

A question for all those who are for "ethical designer breeders" would you consider these people ethical, after all, they tick all the boxes, they health test, send you home with a puppy pack and after care!!

Prices drop when the demand isn't there, if the crosses are still getting the high prices the demand for them is still there.

I do wonder though, cetainly rescues are getting the tail ends of litters of all sorts that can't sell----but that has always happened so it may not be happening more just is more obvious due to dogsblog etc.

rune

I think they are probably AS ethical as SOME breeders of pedigrees. MORE ethical than SOME breeders of pedigrees. LESS ethical than SOME breeders of pedigrees.

Degrees of ethics here!

If I thought that a 'cloodle' would make my life complete as no other dog or breed could then is there a reason I shouldn't get one? Are the pups socialised? Can I see and meet both parents? How far back are the health tests (if they have found a decent clumber hip score is it actually a clumber!), what are the dogs kept like? what are they fed on? what does their contract say?

If I wanted any particular dog badly enough I would disregard the purchase price, most of my dogs arrive and people pay me to take them, Etta cost more than she ought to have done, Celt about right for the breed and other dogs I have paid simply to get out of the situation they are in, they have been grown dogs but I'd do the same for a pup---which is why I drove fast past the puppy farm signs in Wales!

However much I pay or not I reckon they repay that many times over.

rune

Yip and on their crossbreed site they spout on about hybrid vigour and they do not breed for Show Dogs lol then click their link and ya will find that they do also breed KC reg Pedigree Hypocrypts or what. Sales patter indeed

OMG So you are saying you would buy from people like this!!! Their website ticks all the boxes but Jeez..............

Unfortunately I have been watching their site for ages and they reduce all their pups if not sold within approx. 2 weeks of advertising. If ya look at how many litters at one time they have ya can work out why they reduce----obviously to make room for more litters imo

edited to add- Did anyone notice that they show you their Stud Dogs but not their so called Brood Bitches---wonder how many of them they have to produce as many litters at once

You didn't quote ALL my post----that is how misunderstandings arise.

PLEASE lets not start this rubbish again---couldn't we have a decent discussion using what I said---NOT just the part you chose to read and quote?

For clarity this is what I wrote....

I think they are probably AS ethical as SOME breeders of pedigrees. MORE ethical than SOME breeders of pedigrees. LESS ethical than SOME breeders of pedigrees.

Degrees of ethics here!

If I thought that a 'cloodle' would make my life complete as no other dog or breed could then is there a reason I shouldn't get one? Are the pups socialised? Can I see and meet both parents? How far back are the health tests (if they have found a decent clumber hip score is it actually a clumber!), what are the dogs kept like? what are they fed on? what does their contract say?

If I wanted any particular dog badly enough I would disregard the purchase price, most of my dogs arrive and people pay me to take them, Etta cost more than she ought to have done, Celt about right for the breed and other dogs I have paid simply to get out of the situation they are in, they have been grown dogs but I'd do the same for a pup---which is why I drove fast past the puppy farm signs in Wales!

However much I pay or not I reckon they repay that many times over.

rune

Okay fully quoted and Jeez lol They seem to be able to tick the boxes so would ya buy from them?? They do breed Crosses and Pedigrees

I suppose at least that gives the pups a chance at being socialised and gets them out. To me that is THE most important thing---along with temperament. Health is great but a dog thet is bursting with health and too nervous to go anywhere or too aggressive is going to be a problem.

Presumably everything they are doing is legal and they are licensed etc. So they will carry on until it is not economically viable.

Can I ask what all the detractors of this kind of legal 'healthy' puppy farming are doing other than writing on forums about it? Is there an organisation set up anywhere to stop it? If not then why not------I know when I looked into some kind of action recently there is no recourse in law, nothing the RSPCA could do (even if they wanted to---which they don't). If there is SO much feeling about it then why not?

BTW---I am aware there are stop puppy farming set ups---but a lot of these places don't fit the puppy farm scenario in many ways.

rune