Cross breeding Controversial

Not sure if ya have but was just wondering your thoughts on this persons breeding as they do say
1. Health tests done
2. Make great pets
3. Full breeder back up
Also-------All our dogs are exercised daily, have toys and play areas, and are kept in clean and comfortable surroundings. Our dogs probably have more attention and exercise than many pets as they have someone with them from 7.30 am until 9.30 pm each day. They are never left alone and always have the company of a human or kennel mate. Our puppies are therefore very well socialised.
It is our intention to breed top quality, healthy dogs with wonderful temperaments that will be part of your family for life.


Oh although they also say they are not breeders of designer dogs!!! LOL

IMO A lot of the public would think that they are Ethical

But is this breeder not just supplying the pet market but doing it correctly?? re health testing, breeding dogs with good temprements etc..

Yes - they probably would.

I expect this breeder is supplying the pet market - but that does not mean I would class them as ethical.

I have come to see no issues with people breeding a litter that will make good companions....I would expect one reason to be because they intend to keep a dog from said litter themselves, I would also expect them to have done research into said type/breed, have homes lined up, be prepared to offer full lifetime back up, carried out health tests on parents (and know at least some of the relatives of the parents/grandparents). That would be My starting point of looking at a person intending to breed.....

I do not think the people you have quoted seem to be doing this...but I could be wrong.

Only thing they seem to be not doing out of all the above is ---Havin homes lined up, well assumption on my part as they are advertising pups on website but then again ya never can tell lol

So imo your puggle lady may be classed the same as her "homes lined up" may fall through just like some Pedigree Breeders litters. In your opinion where does it stop when breeding to supply the Pet Market Tassle??

I have no idea where breeding stops.....

I know hundreds of breeders of Crosses and Pedigrees who breed solely to make money out of people wanting dogs and I find it very sad. These dogs will all need homes, some may be lucky - others not so much.

BUT - I would rather see an Ethical breeder of crosses allowed to have a litter, than BYB's, PF's, and some Pedigree breeders allowed to continue churning out the amount of dogs they do.

I was hoping it had disappeared, not got a friend.

You got the name of it?

Certainly wouldnt be ethical then would they!
what do others (who agree with cross breeding) feel about cross breeders registering pups with such schemes? The actions of an ethical breeder..or not?

As long as they are not pretending the dog is something it is not -where is the problem?

I would not exclude a breeder from being ethical simply for choosing to add dogs to a register....be it KC (breed or activity), DLR, APDT etc

My problem would be becaouse of who started the DLR, and with any breeder supporting it pure breeds or cross.

Many people do not wish to support a system that does not imply stringent enough rules, and so do not agree with the KC - I do not like it, but to compete at my chosen sport I have to be registered with them.

There are many more cropping up now - UKA have their own system, as do the APDT.

I think to a certain extent the average memeber of the public simply doesn't care! They want a healthy dog with a good temperment that looks a certain way (either cute, majestic, wolfdog ect). If they feel they can get that by buying a crossbreed (and imo they can) they will regardless of what the dog establishment thinks of it.

Would I personnaly buy a crossbreed puppy from an ethical breeder? Yes! Would I do what Tassle did with Zeff? Yes!

With regards to fulfilling the companion role (which is the biggets job modern dogs have) I think xs can do it as well as peds. Certainly if you cross two similar breeds you will get a dog that has most of the qualities of both. This is what working dog crossbreeders do all the time!

I don't see the point of the argument that its not bettering the breeds or not needed, imo most matings don't better the breed and are not needed. Most dogs are bred simply to fulfil are needs to have companions/workers/show dogs.

Adam

Do people think the amount of first crosses for sale at high prices is driving the pedigree pup prices up???

Sorry been all round ma laptop, but will keep trying Maybe ask the audience whilst am busy lol

Regardless of how ethical the breeder maybe, I still don't get the logic behind it.

If it isn't to improve health, genetic diversity, temperament, for working, sport, showing or some other hobby, and the parent breeds are good enough at their job as pets, then where's the reason behind it. Why not just breed them with a dog of their own breed, after all if all you're after is to breed one litter of nice pets, and want a pup for yourself, then whats wrong with putting your poodle/lab/pug/cocker etc bitch with another of the same.

In some cases it could be to improve health, in many cases I think it is because it will be different, you are still likely to get nice pets - and may even get better ones by reducing the drive or the energy of the parent breeds, who may not be as well suited to family life.

Totally agree. I cant understand how someone can be passionate about a breed yet cross it with another. Breeders should be aiming for something, breeding for just pets is not actually aiming for anything. You can put any two dogs together and get a litter of nice pets. Of course all dogs are pets and that should be the main things, but there needs to be other factors in breeding - and you should believe that you are doing the right things, the dogs can add a positive contribution to the breed.

Sorry canny help ya out here as I am same logic as you. Infact the website I referred to earlier ---well imo some of those crosses they are doing will be hard work for a first time pet owner.
Their new 1st litter in uk (LOL) Cloodle--well they state --easily trained Jeez its their 1st litter, so they must be psychic

Whats a cloodle?

rune

Dont google it ..lol