Cross breeding Controversial

She has had various dogs before - and even bred before.

It came up because we were talking about Spaying (pros / cons etc) in the training class, and She stated that she would like to leave the option open to have a litter from her bitch....At which point - I went off into the 3rd degree about breeding x's/health tests/risks etc.....begged her to go look on Many tears to see what was happening.

To which she then told me what research she had been doing, health tests she was planning etc and the homes she had...IF she does finally get there.....

And that is what started the thread....I came home (discussed it with a few sensible people) and started thinking if I had been fair to her, knocking what she was planning to do - just because it happened to be a cross.....If she'd had a pure bred pup and stated the same things - would I have felt the same...answer - No (I would still have spoken about health tests etc)....
Which led me to the conclusion I was being very Snotty about breeds....and the fact they should stay Pure....I (stupidly I know) thought it might be interesting to discuss this on here.
However - seems to have been Highjacked by the fact that BD cannot resist a chance to have a go at me, and the fact that each time we talk about ethically, people just bring up situations that are not or would not be ethical.

I cannot see why (if all goes to plan) this woman could not be classed as ethical? However - the simple reason that she is not breeding pure seems to be enough for most people to see her as unethical.

I was enjoying reading the thread until it started getting nasty. But if you are interested in my views on cross breeding I am happy to contribute.

I have had numerous pedigree dogs from pups and rescues and a few cross bred rescues. So as far as I am concerned they are all dogs and I love them all, a lot.

If there is a demand for cross bred puppies and the breeders do their research, the health tests and provide the lifelong support etc, etc I don't have a problem with it. I know that the reality is somewhat different though.

But I do think that it is far too easy for any old Joe to churn out puppies without a thought, and not just crossbred pups either. Perhaps if pups were microchipped and remained the ultimate responsibilty of the breeder people would think twice before they mated their bitch. But now I'm straying into a fantasy world.

I am sorry for that - I had hoped it to be an interesting discussion.

Onwards and upwards, we seem to be back on track.

Of course I am, I was from the start, it was the hypocrisy I questioned.

Same here, had crossbreeds and mongrels, loved them all, and had them by choice.

That really is the problem though, as seen in this thread, even those who claim this has been done have no proof. Who is at fault? There wont be many offering to help in future either.:?

Well Id join the fantasy world if it meant that ALL puppies were traceable to their breeder, but as you say, fantasy world!

Nothin to do with not breeding "pure" imo More the fact most "pure" bred breeders I know have at least owned a type for years, have mentors yadda yadda Do not know any who have few month old pup and first thought is to take a litter when its older

It was untill the hypocrisy came in, still back on track now..

She has had the bitch for a few months (I am the second puppy class she has been to)
But as she has bred before she knows what is expected and has looked into it - she is retired and has time - she is focusing on the dog and having fun.
She wants to keep her options open.

Did I mention what dogs she had before?....would it make you feel better if she'd had beagles and Pugs?

Not true, its YOUR previous statements I questioned, in fact I didnt have a go at you at all did I? I merely asked if you had changed your views on crossbreeds since having Zeff, what in the world could be wrong with that? I have certainly changed my views on crossbreeds since showing pedigree dogs, but thats not to say I wouldnt have another at some point, although by choice Ill probably sick with what I have.

Nope would not help me lol.
Did she happen to say why she is now thinking of breeding when she already said she bought with no intention of same?? lol

Keeping her options open imo would be something I would think of after havin said type for few years not few months

Couldn't you guys just agree to disagree? Please?

Thats fair enough.....Your opinon.

I think we will have to - so far - No one has convinced me that I was right - and I do feel kind of bad for really going off on one to her.

Its all very interesting to read.

If that was to me then:

Im sorry, I respect her opinion, but could never ever agree with she has done, no.

I am more than happy to agree to disagree, it is such a shame that as soon as anything like a decent discussion on breeding comes up so do other issues! Tassle has borderdawn on ignore so hasn't actually replied to her directly---might have picked up a quote somehow but thats all. So she hasn't actually been involved except for being got at here and there. So I don't think she is interested in agreeing or disagreeing with the irrelevant points.

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Yep she replied to quotes.

Here we go, I agree to disagree.

Okay back on track again lol
Tassle there are quite a few Crossbreed Breeders with websites stating fully health tested parents, bred for temprement etc.. etc.. but most I have seen have umpteen different crossbred litters so would you also class them as ethical as they are still doing all the relevents mentioned by you. Also states on their website "Our aim is to breed a healthy family dog that is easy to train and own with a loving temperament that will be part of your family for life." So for the pet market So are they doing no wrong here
Examples of pups for sale--

Labradoodles, Goldendoodles, Lhasapoo, Cockerpoo, Cavapoo, Shihpoo, Spoodles, Min. Poodles, Basset Vendoodles, Bassoodles and wait for it a new rare breed 1st in UK-----Cloodles

My opinion for what it is worth (sorry if it has already been covered but I havent the time or the patience for reading all posts) -

I dont agree with cross breeding unless it is specifically for a certain purpose/job (new jops like search and rescue etc.). I dont count being a good pet as a good enough reason for crossing as there are hundreds of breeds to choose from and unfortunately thousands of dogs in rescue that could fill that job perfectly already (have a rescue here that is the perfect family pet).

Crossbreeding for me is an example of what I hate about the human race 'I want', I want a RR but I want it in pink, with a bushy tail and easy to train.........I hate it. You can call yourself ethical and test all you want but the only reason you are breeding crossbreeds is because you are selfish at the very least or greedy.

Cheers!! I really look forward to logging onto Dogsey after all the jobs are done. You don't have to agree with each other or even like each other. But you all have a lot of knowledge and experience to offer all of us Dogsey peeps.

No - I would not class someone churning out litter after litter as being ethical - be it Pedigree or Cross.
....And certainly not that many different types.

ETA.....I am not sure I have mentioned a list of things I look for in an ethical breeder?