Cross breeding Controversial

Because they want a puppy and they want to know the parents.

There is a joy taking on a pup (mostly) getting excited about when it is dues, seeing pictures from the time it is born etc.

It is very different to the joy of taking on rescue.

So a Pedigree dog cannot hold this role?? only a crossbred litter bred to be companions lol

Tbh i prefer the joy of changing a rescues life . I speak about breeding practices with crosses and try to show there not all bad, but I agree that there is too much breeding full stop. I will always support rescues. The only pup I intend to bring in to my family will be a ped RBT and ive already spent a year researching them and trying to find a good breeder, i wont be in the position to own one for several years.

Neither would I. Crossing for a need provided there is a well researched plan to enable it, isn't an issue to me.

However to the right person both breeds are excilent pets in their own right, so where is the need to cross them for that reason alone. That is what I don't understand, there maybe a want, but want and need are not the same thing.

Yes, breeds started off as crosses, but they were bred with a purpose in mind, with a plan to continue after one litter. Again, if the breeds that are used are good enough to be pets, then where is the logical need to cross them for the purpose they were already suitable for.

If someone can explain the need, then I may change my mind, but it imo just seems to be more about want not need, and just because you want and can, doesn't mean you should.

All breeders started off once. It is really hard to find a good breeder of anything TBH.

There are surplus pups of all breeds around unfortunately.

I was really surprised driving across Wales to see how many pups were advertised at the roadside, one seemed obviously to be a puppy farm with a mixture the rest seemed to be farms with wsd/BC/Welsh sheepdog pups advertised.

I think the odd decently bred crossbred litters are more likely to find homes than a lot of those dogs. Hopefully if the bottom drops out of the market some of these places will close.

rune

I think that to too many people, whether breeding pedigrees or crossbreeds, a litter of pups means a new kitchen or a holiday. Nothing more. You only have to look on puppy selling websites to see that the vast majority of pups for sale were only born to make cash for the owners.

An ethical breeder wants to create something that will last. A new line producing excellent dogs for show, work, sport etc. In each litter there will be one or two taken for the purpose for which they were born, and the rest sold on to pet homes. The best ones that were kept will be used in the future breeding program etc. etc.

It's frustrating to see bitches being used as cash cows - today I was looking on a website for a breed that I am interested in. They are unrecognised but I fancy one for agility. I only found one breeder website who had done a repeat mating of the same dog and bitch four times, and was accepting enquiries for future litters, even though these are the only pair he has.

That, and breeding from poor quality animals does sadden me. The problem with creating crossbreeds (and pedigrees) for the pet market is that there is no aim other than the shiny new kitchen.

Yes, in many cases they are, clever breeders pretending they have something "special" to sell.

Again, I didnt say that did I? I SAID that most use their own males, because responsible, ethical pedigree dog breeders wouldnt allow their males to be used on other breeds.

Show me please.

Oh yes, variation alright. What are the registered names of your parents dogs parents? A quick check will show how many health tests they had done.

Absolutely.

Im seeing that more and more. I have certainly noticed, puppies of a few breeds, Labs, Collies, JRT's and GSD's on our travels to shows of late.

Strange, I have too! Including house for sale-type signs just hammered into the ground infront of houses a bit further into the sticks stating pups for sale, very uncomfortable.

As I dont live with them I obviously dont have that to hand. As its there dog never thought to check, they got her by themselves then surprised me with her never actually thought to check just know they have her parents and grandparents on a register they said they were health checked, with my parents you dont tend to question lol. May check it out myself. And if I can get a hold of them my OHs family ones too. Would be interesting.

But you earlier said:

So you there imply that they DID find health tested parents. Mmmm will be interested to see the results myself. What "register" are you talking about?

Does she mean KC register---after all with first crosses both parents can be pedigree registered dogs.

rune

I think its a pedigree register, cant say I remember I only had a look at it. But im sure it said ped which I thought was awfully misleading.

Yes they looked for health tested parents, they say she is from health tested parents. That was their research I had no involvement for that pup they surprised me with her when I came round to visit which was when I looked over her papers, puppy contract, pics of mum and dad etc. Wish they had said to me but they didnt. I said they searched so how am I meant to know exact details?

Currently they are looking for a second dog. We are currently looking for another dog as per what I have said before. I am helping them look for one. They are in no hurry. And as I have said before im still trying to lean them towards a rescue.

And please dont mmmmm, come on.

And before you ask, yes she has a registered name but I dont have a clue what it is lol again shes my parents dog lol They got her after I had moved out, I just train her which is why i sometimes refer to her as my dog lol

Given your input on this thread and your adamance that your parents did it properly, was I wrong to assume you knew the details? Seems so to me! Still when you find out about the "register" and the health tests, both you and I will understand better. Till then, Ill reserve judgement that the dog is in fact from health tested, registered parents. Must be KC reg parents as there isnt any other register that I can think of it could be?

Oh my, are you really telling us that the crossbreed is "registered?" Seriously? Please, unless its an activity register which of course can be checked also, you do (as do your parents) appear to have been, what did you call it? "duped!!!"

Yes Lynn thats what I mean, if, as she claims the parents of her parents dog are kc registered and have had the relevant health tests, just their registered names will reveal the health results on the KC database.

lmao you know what I mean. On this silly register thing, which have already said I dont really agree with. Think its misleading.

Well to my knowledge and your knowledge they have done right. There is nothing to say they have not and I most certainly wouldnt want to question them lol!