Irish Staffie?? So confused! Please Help! Questions

Hi there
I am a little bit confused and hope someone can help me...
I am in the process of getting a staffie pup off my sister in law and the mum is an irish staff and the dad a blue english staff.
Due to my ignorance I was unaware that there was any other different staff other than english and the american version.
So I did a little research and was surprised to find that alot of people on alot of forums say that 'irish' are bred from APBT. Now, I know that the mum isnt and she has been blood tested when she was seized (lonngg story) a few years back by the police. And the dad is a blue english staffie.
Now while im totally aware that its how you bring the dog up that can determine its overall temperament, it does worry me.
Ive included some pics of mum and puppies for everyone to look at...Can you tell just my looking if shes different?? Should I get the puppy tested myself? Any feedback would be appreciated. I have put some pics on photobucket but as im totally new to it, im not sure if Ive done it right.

Not sure what blood testing you refer to ... The policedo not afaik blood test. I would not choose a pup which would grow up to risk looking / being 'of type' . I would choose a different litter

Irish stafford is a breed type not a breed in it's own right,they are not recognised by any offical registration body,i.e the KC.

Parentage doesn't come into it when a dog is classed as type,plenty of dogs who have legal parents have been classed as type.

I would also be concerned as to the health status of the dogs ,what have they been tested for ?

Obviously the pup would not be true SBT as it has an unregistered,Irish SBT Mother,therefore this bitch could have all sorts of breeding behind her.

Why not be guided by one of the SBT breed clubs who would be able to recommend good reputable breeders who health test there dogs.

The police do not do blood tests to determine type.

They use a tape measure so until the pups have grown you will not know if they will be type or not. It will be a risk you will run.

Thanks for your quick replies The police do in fact carry out DNA profiling for dogs seized. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/DNA-tests-on-dogs-seized.1960842.jp
An example for you. I do know she was tested for PBT and other health problems and it came back negative and was returned to her owner.
My sister in law rescued the dog in question after the owner left her in the back yard when they vacated the property, after the police had given her back.
Thankyou again for your replies

here is a pic of the puppy in question (if it works)

I am sorry the paper is wrong, Fact.

There is no DNA test for type. Reason this is not a breed ban but a type of dog ban so even if there was a reliable test for the breed of dog known as a Pitbull, which there isn't, in the UK it is type that is banned.
No genetic connection needed.

DNA test for breed and other health issues I am sorry someone is either confused or telling porkies.

Would not be the first time papers have got it wrong.

I have checked DNA testing out with the police and top genetics experts in the country there is no such test.

Im sorry, my confusion, so a Pitbull is not a breed only a type? Im confused about the breed, type part.
Even in America its not a recognised breed? So, a test for instance from the following website - http://www.dna-worldwide.com/pet-dna/doggie-dna-print/ would be fallible?
And an ISB would definately be bred from a pitbull?
The dams mother and father were definitely not PB, so my question I guess is are all ISB the same? Thanks

Pitbull is a breed although not recognised by either American or UK Kennel Clubs.
Initially Pit Bulls were banned and people started giving them different names to get around the ban.
So they said any dog that has a certain amount of physical characteristics of a pit bull i.e is is physically looks the same type is banned.

So a cross of two legal breeds could produce a dog that is type as also two pups out of the same litter one could be type and illegal and one not type and legal.

Trial by tape measure.

The DNA test they have in American is not recognised in the UK thankfully.

An Irish Staffy is either a SBT born in Ireland, or else it is a euphemism for `my dog looks `ard`.
Staffy crosses can be from just about any bloodline, but as a rule they`re bred with `whatever looks `ard`. so they can call it a `Irish Staff`, nudge nudge, wink wink, meaning it`s a pit bull cross.
If you want a Staffy, there are lots of pure-bred ones around (from good breeders and rescue organisations) without putting yourself in a position of having to worry about falling foul of the law.
JMO.

Thanks for your replies. Seems like ive a bit more research to do then

Why on earth did your sister in law breed from a rescued dog?

I've no idea, you'd have to ask her. She wasnt a rescued dog in the sense where you'd adopt a dog from a rescue home. My sister in law knew the lady who left her as she was looking after all her dogs at the time. The owner at the time could only take two of her dogs with her and left Tia. So my sister in law took her home and shes been there ever since. A few years now.

Hi Becca

Its good you are asking questions.

We are also considering getting a SBT puppy in the next year and have started researching potential breeders. I will be getting a solid blue (I know, I know) KC registered SBT. Personally, for me, with this breed (well all breeds) its very important to know the linage and make sure puppies are bred from well balanced and health checked parents. I wouldnt personally get an ISBT - as I would not be confident about whats gone into it.... and to say the mother of the pups is rescue - you will have no idea.

If you are really serious about getting a SBT then hold-fire and wait until you know exactly what you are getting.

I really hope this helps

Thanks Dougie
The sire of the puppies is a solid blue SBT, a stunning example.
Tia (the staff in question) is a truly beautiful dog, so gentle and well behaved with children, people and animals alike. I do know her previous owner and am thinking of contacting her so she can clear up issues of lineage for me.
The whole pitbull thing is very worrying. And I think I will hold on until I have the proper facts.
Thanks again Bec

I dont think Tia looks like a pit, but who can tell?

Has he been shown and judged to be a fine example of the breed by a breed judge ?

Yes it is extremely worrying,even KC Registered Staffords have fallen foul of this legisation,

Experts continue to argue what constitutes a Pitbull type.

Agree totally with what leadstaffs has posted and she is correct in what she has posted.

I personally think the breeder is a BYB,who is spouting a load of rubbish to get her puppies sold,personally I would RUN a mile ;-)

Have you got a picture of the sire to post.

No a true so called irish staffordshire bull terrier is infact a working dog that people bred and brought back to england from ireland in the 60s,70s when dogs had been succesful in the irish trials although these were not strictly legal but due to the issues on both sides of the borders this was the least of irelands problems, a true one will have kc heritage and as they were not bred for looks but best to best just like other working dogs they come in various shapes and sizes with some having a little ebt blood which makes no odds as Im sure there was many dubious dogs registered as staffords when they first became kc.

Also they are idiots as stated above who will breed dubious dogs and class them as irish.

most people who own the dogs below call them working staffords as the phrase irish has been coined by peddlers

also a true breeder will know his line inside out and be able to show the history of the dogs and what he has produced before and you are opening a can of worms if you dont know the history of the bitch but as some people say look at the dog in front of you and feck the paperwork as with these dogs there is also lots of bull**** and even the best (KC) of them have hung papers to make the peds look more attractive.


wolf island boy below true irish stafford 1976 trials champion

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Sounds like you run the risk of the puppy you love growing up to look "type", being seized and destroyed (at best) or biting someone (worst case). If you are unsure then don't risk it, you'd never forgive yourself if the worst happened.