Murphy (NI) posts from NIS thread General Chat

Right, now I am totally p*****d off, you can slag me off as much as you like, but dont you dare talk about Murphy like that, he isnt timid, never was and is quite well socialised as I took him to a lot of agri shows as a pup, I live very rurally with no neighbours so my pups dont see anyone unless I go to the shows, Im sure Jane will verify Murphy is a very outgoing boy. I am sitting here absolutely heartbroken at Murphy going missing and all you can do is use it as yet another barb, Val it was my Star I was talking about, I told you I had only brought her to Scotland and Essex to get her out and about a bit. For all your information, I GAVE Murphy to a couple who had recently lost their own dog as I wouldnt have ever bred from him as he has a curly tail, but a sweeter nature you couldnt wish for and I wanted a lovely pet home for him, I thought I was doing something nice for him and for them, giving Murph a better life, seems I had ulterior motives, Danielle, you are an absolute ***, I really would love to come face to face with you one fine day.

Regarding Murphy the missing dog. I would just like to say he is brother to my boy. I had to pick between the two of them and at 13 weeks old i chose the quieter one of the two. Quinn is not a quiet dog but he was quieter and more laid back than Murphy. Murphy stayed with Sue and i have seen photos of him at shows and have watched him grow up through photos alongside my Quinny. She always said he wouldnt be bred from because he had a curly tail as i was interested in considering studding my boy IF (and that was a very big IF) he came up to standard etc. So i had spoken to her about which dog would have better potential IF i wanted to stud. Murphy had the very desirable 'yellow' eyes but it was Quinns personality i went with in the end. And i couldnt resist his big chocolate eyes lol

My point is i know Sue loves this dog and never intended to use him as a stud. If she says she gave him to this couple involved after they lost their last dog i believe her. Plus i have spoken to his new owner and she has also told me how she lost her last dog very sadly.

At the end of the day whether or not you agree with the NIS or the 'breed' or the breeders or anything to do with NI's please can you spead the word that a pet dog is missing. Think of how you would feel if your beloved canine went missing. I know i would be beside myself x

Sue I am so sorry I mentioned Timid as all the usual suspects have totally jumped on this and forgotten that a much loved dog MURPHY is missing!!! I know you love all your dogs Sue and really desperately hope Murphy is found safe and well soon!!!
hugs to you
Valerie

NO-one is saying this is not tragic - but there is another thread on this subject and to be fair - the fact this dog is missing has Nothing to do with this at all.

I feel for the people involved and hope he is found soon

Now back on topic

Im so glad you can be so flippant after your awful remarks, Thanks Kris, I love Murph so much but i would rather he had a lovely pet home, I have always said if i found the right people, I would let him go, Im sorry if that offends some peoples sensibilities, but looking at this thread, I doubt very much many of you have any, Thanks to those of you who have wished us well in finding my boy, and just for your information, the only stipulation I made when I gave Murphy away was that, in the event that things didnt work out, he was to come back to me and only me, I wouldve fetched him back myself and that would have been that, he wouldve then stayed with me if he couldnt settle with anyone else. Im sure most remeber when Twopacs girl went missing, she wouldnt approach strangers either, did that make her timid, probably not, please dont make assumptions.

well Sutty is all you can do is insult?? .. No wonder most NI breeders are talked badly about, there either rude or unethical...

Sue, we were told that Murph is timid. The missing advert ref the link does you no favours. It is natural for people to feel sorry for Murph first and look for blame, it is human nature. Of course now we know you love him , as you have been so passionate about him on these threads. However, I do not think you should be abusive to Danielle, she is obviously very upset ref her situation, also.

I know Sue very well and think alot of both Sue and Dai. Yes we have totally different opinions on the NIS, but do manage to stay friends despite this I also really like Danielle and admire her for her opinions and high standards and generally agree.

We all can say things we regret later when we're upset or mad that we don't really mean.

I met Murphy the day he was born and saw him last a couple of weeks ago at a sponsored walk. Sue is correct in saying he was taken to agri shows as a pup and he did do well. To be perfectly honest I have never seen Murphy show nervousness which is something I can't say about alot of NI's.

I do think nervousness is a problem in NI's. I also think there are breeders that don't socialise their pups or take temperament into account when breeding.

I have an NI that from the day I got her at 8 weeks was highly socialised and now competes in agility and obedience. The nervousness will always be there in the background and if she was in the same situation as Murphy I honestly cannot say how she would be acting.

I do think nerves may be partly at fault as to what has happened to Murphy, but its something I think is in the majority of NI's. They don't have the perfect temperament and neither do they have perfect recall.

Horrible things can happen to any of us and I just hope so much Murphy is found safe and well.

could it be the more 'timid' n.i's have more of their sibe ancestory?
living with sibes i could see this being possible.
my n.i is bold..but as i say thats cos she is a gsd in sibes clothing ;-)

Ok enough please!!! Murphy came to us from Sue. We are distraught and Sue is more so because he was her boy for two years of course. The reasons Murphy came to us are between her and us in the main, with no suspicious undertones. The point is he is missing whether this is the right thread or not to post it in. I for one wish it had not been mentioned here or in any other thread, albeit with good intentions to simply spread the word, as its become another opportunity to be cruel to people who are vulnerable. We do not need ripping to shreds any further. Thank you to those who have the heart to share their good wishes and not use this situation for some other agenda. Many people are upset about things in life from time to time but to use this as an opportunity to judge without understanding whether privy or not to all the facts is appalling. I will not be drawn into say what happened for you Danielle for instance as I don't know or wish to know the details but I will say I hope how you feel eases for you in time at least. I am incredibly hurt and insulted by what I've read here that's negative just now and that is for Sue too I might add. Leave us alone to find this dear boy who is merely quieter sometimes and actually by being so wiser than many humans and in a new situation for reasons that take his best welfare into consideration. If anyone wants to ask anything sensible please feel free to direct this to me, one of the people who is out there searching for a lost, confused boy, near constantly. My notation on any posters etc does say Murphy might be nervous or shy of strangers but I refer that particularly to the situation now.We are talking here about real life, real people with feelings!! I wrote the advert link and I don't see how that does Sue no favours btw...speak to me about it if you must if you see it that way.

P.S. Above all we should be talking about a missing dog somewhere and separately to anything else ideally. Its just unfortunate that its contained in this thread that's all, which is no-one's fault. Those of us involved and particularly those who know Murphy have heightened emotions right now, as I'm sure all of you would if your dog was missing and for what is now 4 days...Murphy went missing whilst in my sole care and control so it does me no favours to have to ( and want to) write a fb group item, say it all again on posters/fliers and keep repeating the story to as many as possible so we find him urgently. For that I doubt I will ever forgive myself, I know its happened to other experienced dog owners but I feel completely rubbish for Sue, those supporting her, my partner and barely feel I can hold my head up in the community or anywhere else less public for that matter. Again I say its Murphy who's out there and truly pray he's safe somewhere albeit alone, confused, scared, lost and likely hungry by now. Yes our dogs can fend for themselves for some time but he doesn't know where he is. So I will carry on until we know something however long that takes and submerge my own feelings and embarrassment etc, sure we all should be important to others/ourselves but we can't demand and impose with arrogance, can we?? What an awful thing to say too that its now known through these threads/posts that Sue loves Murphy!! I'm sure I didn't need to write an essay on the advert to cover all that as people wouldn't read that much anyway and it doesn't need saying either, saying or underlining that on an missing advert would only serve to potentially make that love questionable I would think! If people change their dog's 'home' arrangements for whatever reason it does not necessarily follow they don't love their dog...that does not follow. I am really shocked by that remark which amounts to being so crass its unbelievable that its been written. Also where has it come from that Murphy is missing because he is terrified of people???!!! That is such a mean spiteful thing to say. That's why he was happy on his walks with me then and happy on those walks for new people to meet him and he reached out to them and allowed an initial brief brush with the hand eh!!!! He was having a little difficulty in the very early days of joining our family basically with going and in and out of a house comfortably, and settling for a longer sleep hence why out in early hours. Mind I don't have to justify any of this. I believe this was improving and his bonding with me was coming along. Something 'spooked' him I think, it happens to younger dogs, older dogs too, different breeds and otherwise well adjusted animals including humans from time to time , as well as the approach to our house still being a smaller issue as such. I turned around with him and we tried again a few minutes later. Maybe he just wanted to 'trot' around a bit and had had enough time on a lead bearing in mind his change of lifestyle. Who knows entirely. I resent the judgmental implications here, those who are doing this as I see it were not here with him!! Whether apportioning blame is human nature or not its not useful nor helpful to do so but if anyone must then go ahead blame me! For the record this is referred to in part on the missing advert - how he went missing! Murphy being missing is the focus I beg and implore etc etc

Read what has been written about Murphy and then say that it does not look like an injustice has been done by him. I understand you are upset and that Sue is also. Having an outburst on here is not going to help, much could've been said that has not. You have been around these dogs and breeders for five minutes so have not a clue why people feel the way they do.
Murphy is the victim here.

And of course I hope he is found asap and returned to you safely.

Read where and read what? I think there are a few outbursts other than mine and I do have the right of reply. There seems alot of jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts about Murphy to me. I continually say we need to think about Murphy. What else could be said that has not please? I don't think you know me to say how long I may or may not have been around this breed/breeders and again I say what I am talking about is a missing dog not the rest of this thread and certainly not right now in any way. Victim seems a bit strong at this juncture but thank you for your wish that he is found soon and returned safely.

it sounds (from his missing advert)that this poor dog was highly stressed about going into his new home, & had obvisley not yet had trust in his new owners.
I cant see how taking a dog out at 2am will help it settle tbh, most dogs are more spooky in the dark & "we" arent fully functioning at that time/have impaired reactions

I would hope hes found every soon,

Sue, if hes spotted wil you be coming over to see if he will come to you?

I dont know the area, is it really Rural? lots of farm buildings etc to hide out in

He was kinda desperate to go outside and I have questioned of course my logic on doing the walk. He came out of the house calmly and was fine along the well lit street, as much as it can be in the dark. Our house is well lit at night but not in a glaring sense. It is quite rural here, farmers are on high alert and several people are regularly checking outbuildings. Thank you for your hope.

Sending thots to you and yours at this extremely difficult time xxxxx

Hope Murphy is found soon safe and well xxxx

Thanks so much Lainyb X

You NEED to be putting this in appropriate threads, like lost and found, NOT this one.

Where about did he go missing?

Thats no probs Reb, I've only met Sue for the first time the other week at the BUA show in Irvine and a lovelier lady you couldnt meet.

I'm fairly new to this breed, and thoroughly enjoy having my ute in my life and couldnt imagine ma life without him in it, so can only imagine what yourself and your OH are going thro at this hard time

You are in my prayers xxxx