Crufts GSD BOB Winner not what KC want Controversial

Hold on, are you being serious or sarcastic? The lack of smilies has thrown me a bit!

Thanks for that. Am I right that some show dogs in uk have done this test?

There may be good breeders, but what I see ringside (and at ch shows we are often closely benched) is a mess.

I don't want to go too far OT on this but (I'm not sure at this time of night my diplomacy button is working, sorry) if you are concerned about the breed is it not important to at least know what the UK standard is?

Oh dear sorry, add liberal handfuls of sarcky smilies please! It is late!

Hi Dave, I am not sure how our preferences do differ, are you the same Dave I rehomed the spiders to when my hubby was terminally ill?
Pam

Sarcky smilies at the ready!

No Pam...I am not.

You did once ask me somewhere or other if I was who I am and you were correct as I replied but although I do not remember your question from back then, I am not the one that took on any spiders.

Does that make sense at all? Re-reading it does to me bt I know what the hell I am talking about when I am typing it...lol

Hi Mary the only UK show dogs that have undertaken this are those that need it to get their KKL in Germany, re the UK KC standard, they change it on a regular basis apart from the change Dave mentions they changed it about 6 months prior and possibly every few years, whereas the SV/FCI has only had minor reviews:
original standard 20th September 1899
Amendments were made to the standard on 28th July 1901, 17th September 1909, 5th September 1930, 25th March 1961. Then was revised and adopted by the World Union of German Shepherd Dogs (Weltunion für Deutsche Schäferhunde, WUSV) on the 30th August 1976, and reviewed on the 23rd and 24th March 1991.

It will come to me Dave, memory is lacking the older I get lol

Hehehehe,
I remember you asked me a question something like...

Is that Dave that/who....blah blah but it had nothing to do with spiders.....

I answered in the affirmative and there the post ended...cannot remember myself...ahh old age huh?

Having a CRAFT moment here "Cannot Remember A F****** Thing"

Might have even been a different forum all together.....

Location wise we are not that far apart but that was not your question either....lol

Found this on you tube. It's old footage, but to my mind, no different to what I saw at Crufts this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_z3fgk9bQw

The first dog appears to be dragging his toes on the carpet. It just can't be good in the long term IMO.

That is sad to see
I can see why the dogs muscles are not as built up in the back, with all the wobbling around and the fact they are not seeming to be able to push off at the back with much power it is meaning the muscles are not as well defined as a dog who is able to push all its power out the back end the way nature intended
Horrible to see the dog standing on its hocks, that has nothing to do with the show stance or the carpet, that is how the dog naturaly stands

I have to ask, for those of you who are supporting these dogs
Ignoring the health checks (which are important but have nothing to do with the structure)
Ignoring the front end movement (which whenever I ask I am given explanations about what a judge is looking for in the front end angulation)

What do you think of the look of the back end of these dogs? What do you think of the movment of the back end of these dogs?
What is a judge actually LOOKING for in the back end of the dog? What are the angles of the joints supposed to be and why did they change so much from dogs 30 years ago?

just had a google on the net for the rear angulation for GSD's I dont know much about the breed to be honest, so apart from the "gut" feeling that GSD's move badly in the rear. anyway, there is a diagram on the link showing the "correct" angulation?

http://sarjettegsd.webs.com/breedstandard.htm

Mo

20k isn't much - I could do more than that myself today and I haven't run since December. Dogs have an incredible VO2 max - which is the most useful predictor of success in endurance sports- generally higher than any human could ever achieve - a herding dog should be able to cover tens of miles day in day out without thinking about it. If it could still do it at 10 years old then I'd start to think it's evidence of a well constructed dog.

Interesting that breeds like the Peke or Pug couldnt do 1 km let alone 20, but have not been seen as "UNfit for function" yet a dog who has passed all health tests is being slated!

I suppose that depends on your definition of a breeds function. Pugs and pekes were bred as companion animals so as long as they are friendly and affectionate to their owners then they could be deemed 'fit for function', they were never bred to run for miles!!
I would just like to point out that this statement does not condone the breeding of animals that are unable to breathe normally and I personally feel that both pekes and pugs should have a slightly longer length of muzzle.I was just pointing out that the word 'function' will be dependant on what the breed was originally created for.
Becky

Yup. Very well put.

There is an interesting documentary on channel 4 about the breeding problem that the UK is facing. You can watch it on 4od, i thoroughly recommend watching it.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/good-dog-bad-dog

Hi Dawn
I'm keen to branch out to Pekes and Pugs but not really on this thread. Health tests hmmmm (sorry).

Good balanced viewing, thanks for posting.

No wonder they wobble. Front and back angulation are meant to balance (be very similar). This dog is only in balance for a moment part way through a rear stride (ie when the pads are under the stifle.) Unfortunately that means his hocks will then be close to the floor. Whoever dreamed up this mess should be forced to complete all daily tasks on hands and knees for a few weeks.......