Yellow Flat Coats? Controversial

I think you need to do a little more research before you start claiming things.

The chinese cresteds was first documented as such in the early 1700s and 1800s in Africa and Asia (they had been documented before this but the source of information could be questioned - as there is little evidence of such). Although at the time were not often refered to as CC's. They didnt get to america until 1880.. and the dogs in america I believe was starting to be noted in the early 1930s, by the 1950s there was enough done to start the registration of the breed. The first breed club wasnt founded until 1979.. Fancy that all this years after the breed was first (truely) noted.. Hmm!

Yeah now back on topic.

Riiiiiiiiiight.....(Snickers)

Now getting back on topic....

"The purpose to breed any dog in today's modern times is to provide a healthier longer living companion for the Majority that demands it. Not the minority that wants a dog for a purpose of hunting, Field trials or Showing.

There are far more dogs being breed than the demand for them from those purpose driven minorities.

The Pet Market is continually disappointed from the populations of purebreds being brought into this world only to live and die from painful and expensive debilitating diseases. This market demands a better return from the time invested in creating these dogs.
And the benefits are not going to be seen in continuing on the road into the future with more of the same from the Status Quo."

Again if you plan to fix the problems.... We're all waiting to see.

So ...

Let me know how thats working for you.

In about a decade or two we can compare notes and you can look at my really old happy dogs and show me pics of all the young dead champions. :-D

I note Chatham Hill that yet again you have not responded to my posts. I am not surprised.
You are saying that you do not show or work your dogs and that your breeding is driven by and for the pet market alone. So why try to breed another type of retriever? Why be so specific, why not go for the 2 healthiest breeds you can find, and breed them together? Why complain about a breed and then use it to make another one? One that could end up more unhealthy than the first? Then sell it to pet owners?
Why limit your gene pool to the extent that you are looking to breed MORE yellow FCRs? I suspect (given you say you have been threatened by people claiming to be dog lovers) that reputable breeders of FCRs, those whos dogs are fit for function and look like FCRs won't let you anywhere near their dogs to be used at stud, thus limiting your gene pool even further.
You try to talk the talk but you know what, it isn't working.

You know this is going to happen do you, there are more healthier pedigree breeds out their than not.


How many generations of crossing do you do - whats the COI of your dogs?

thought this may be of interest...ahhhhh the veteran classes. If all FCRs are dropping dead in their youth why so many in the veteran classes??????
http://crufts.fossedata.co.uk/Breed.asp?ShowYear=2010&GroupID=GUN&ScheduleID=182

You apparently don't read far into what I've posted or only see what you want to....

Get back to me after you're done some reviewing...I'm not in the mood to cut and paste what I've already written right now.

Since you came here with your sleeves rolled up looking for a fight...You can work for it a bit.

Once you know more then maybe I'll entertain you.

Ahhh. Good

0% up to 8 Generations.



Everyone including myself should strive for better.

I can almost hear you wriggling out of this from here.
I have asked pretty specific questions which you haven't answered. I don't actually expect you will, you will continue to talk about other breeds, continue to talk about ill health in FCRs, continue to try to persuade that what you are doing is for the good of all the pet owners out there.
Well I am a pet owner and I wanted a pet FCR that looks like a FCR, acts like a FCR and is fit for function. I dont' want a cross breed. Had I wanted a cross I would have gone to a shelter and got a cross. I didn't. I wanted a FCR...so I went to an FCR breeder..and FCR rescue and got them.
I'm not working for anything thanks....I don't expect you to answer, you are trying very hard to change the subject and discredit other people. It won't work.

... I have a show bred Chinese Crested who is also 0%.. I mean fancy that.

I believe all ethical breeders strive for better..

And how many dogs made it to Veteran clases.

Considering that 60% percent are dead of Cancer between 9 and 12.


And the annual contribution to the pupulation is a bit over 1200 registered FCR dogs in Britain. How many make it to Veteran status? ;-)

Yup 4 generations is easy to show a 0% in the smaller populations of pure breeds.

Fancy that.

Judging by the mumber of entries into the veteran class, compared to the other classes, quite a considerable number the figures speak for themselves.

Interesting that you are just trying to put down other breeds Chatham Hill isn't it, in order to try hard to justify what you do?

Well then if you don't wish to read what I've already written that answers your questions you clearly arrived late to the party...

So in our case Rambler. Nothing more needs to be said between us until you know what you need and unless you read you'll never know. So we have nothing to converse about. LOL. That was easy.

who said anything about 4 generations?
I give up with you.

riiiiiight so for several thousands of dogs ... How many make it to veteran class that are over 10, 11, 12?

Hell... Who's there thats 13,14 or 15....

How about 16?


Get back to me on that will ya.

I have read your posts, believe me...and they just lead me to ask the questions I have...as well as question...what do you actually do Chatham Hill that helps the FCR in terms of health and wlefare...what research are you helping with and how do you track the dogs you have bred and their health and welfare? What do you do other than limit a gene pool further?

My girls granddad will be at crufts this year, guess what hes 13... I know its a different breed - but dogs do live past 10 you know.

Hmm......you do not do your case a lot of good with these answers - as an outsider, looks alot like avoidance to me.

You didn't say any number, But the requirements in the KC are only 4 gen pedigree. Therfore unless you say otherwise we can only guess you mean 4. Since you're not volunteering anything more.