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Then we have a different definition.

I do not see that as free at all - you are encouraging, asking or have trained the dog to do this through repitition - possibly from a young age - possibly using a line to start with.

I don't have a problem with it - its a great way to exercise your dog - but it is not free to my mind. It is a trained or encourged behaviour.

I also do not think that is what the 'anti's' are saying.....they are saying that when the mood takes them - thier sibes, though they may be fine 99% of the time, could take off for that 1% and it is not a risk they are willing to take.

and of course you will be the first person ever to try that
most newbie sibe owners think like you :-( :-(
i am not a newbie gnasher i have owned sibes for 14 years,loved the breed for many more...you also forget that i own an n.i and a csv another two breeds you talk about,i am in the perfect position to help you understand, but you choose blindly to dismiss my experiences :-(
you state you already had an escape artist dog that got killed...and you dont feel guilty because she died doing what she loved :? it was preventable,as it is with sibes,
i do think you adore your dogs but i have to say,i hope you do not ever own a sibe:-( :-( :-(

exactly!! ;-)

And is that 1% chance worth it???

Not to me its not;-)

No, absolutely not ! There was no training, no coercing, no nothing. I can't remember when we first took Hal out with us on a bike ride, but it was before we started to use a certain type of training with him, so he would probably have been about 4. We just drove to our disused railway line, got out bikes off the car, loaded up and pedalled off. He had the option to run off of course if he had wanted to, but he didn't want to, and neither would any other dog IMO. The same with Tai, who as you know we inherited as a rescue at age 5. We just did exactly the same procedure with him, and he followed. The bad thing that happened with the sheep was totally our fault. I had stopped, Mike yelled at me to say "Sheep" and I said oh be quiet, he can't get through that fence ... when he did. This was totally my fault, and I learned a bitter lesson from it. Now whenever we pass sheep, we speed up and race forward, and if he looks at the sheep, we roar at him and he comes away.

Wow this is amazing Gnasher must be the only person that knows what is in these dogs. So why on all the forums are people still questioning the mix. Oh right you knew Eddie, so did a lot of other people, and they don't even know what the founder dogs were. Please, no need to PM me I see enough of your rubbish on the forum I really don't need to read more rubbish through a PM it will not change my mind about you. Although it does become amusing as in reading a fairytale.;-)

Darling, where did THAT accusation come from !! When did I EVER say I was the first person to ride out with a dog, or cycle with a dog !! Dearie me

I am fully aware of your breeds ... and lovely breeds they are too, especially CSV. I don't blindly dismiss anyone's experiences, but as I repeatedly keep saying, I plough my own furrow in life, I make my own decisions, and take responsibility for my mistakes. No I don't feel guilty about Lizzie. It was an accident ... a preventable accident, because I should have made sure our garden was Lizzie proof, but it was over an acre, so cost was an issue, and I honestly thought that what was in place was sufficient.

You probably think I am the most stubborn cow on earth, but I choose to make up my own mind. There is so much crap talked in the dog world as you well know, some IS crap, some is truth. So far, my experience of Sibes is that whereas they are not the most obedient of dogs, their recall is patchy, they do not run away, but they will run off for a short distance, IF they have been trained from puppyhood to be obedient. I will buy into the theory that for 1% of the time something can go wrong, but at that percentage rate the risk is infintesimal (spelling?) and one worth the risk. I certainly would not risk any dog though on or near a main road, next to a railway line, or some other very dangerous place, off lead. But to take the fields around here as an example, there is no livestock, fencing is good, my dog can run for miles off lead. Because we have trained him. He wasn't that obedient when we got him, his recall was OK, good basic recall, but he had no manners and would certainly chase livestock. So we trained him not to. And we trained him to come when he is called, even when he is chasing a deer, pursuing a bitch in season, or terrifying the chickens when they have escaped out onto the set aside. Like pure Sibes, he has a VERY high prey drive, but I have managed to train him such that we can walk pass the chickens, Tai off lead, and he will ignore them.

If I can train Tai to do this, with his huge prey drive, then I am sure I would be able to train a Sibe puppy to have a good, reliable recall and not fall into the 1% zone!

Ouch! Been there lol

We train near livestock. My lass would much prefer I said 'go get um' than 'on by'

She listens now, took a while but now she is much more focused on the trail

Take good care.

Seoniad.

talk about going in circles
has anyone said that they dont let their sibes off in safe enclosed/fenced off areas???:? :? :?

Look, I don't need to tell you that until recently anyone with even 1% wolf in their dogs had to keep quiet. So, for years, we had certain breeds of dogs denying their wolf content and recent ancestry. Then suddenly the floodgates were opened because quite rightly the law was relaxed.

So, all those people who had had to call their dogs by other names suddenly didn't need to any more. What a quandary ... they were now effectively liars.

THAT is why the ancestry appears to be such a ******s muddle. It isn't if you know what I know, if you get what I mean.

As I say, I was a very good friend of Eddie's, and now that various people from those early days are prepared to pop their heads above the parapet, I have managed to find out virtually everything, if not everything, in Hal's ancestry. That is why I can now say that he was an F4.

Glad I have entertained you so Heather ... pleased to be of assistance! As to me PM'ing you, I thought as you clearly were interested, seeing as you know so much about wolfy dogs, that you might be interested in learning about what was fiction and what was fact. Sadly it would seem not. So no, I won't waste my time.

Yes they have, but I couldn't honestly hand on heart say our fields are totally 100% safe. They are well fenced with barbed wire and sheep fencing, but Tai can jump

You don't seem to understand......I assume that you had done training (lead or close work) before you let you dog run with you? This was not the very first thing you did with your dog when you got it home surely?

If I run or cycle my dogs keep up - if I walk they go off 'FREE' to do thier own thing. There is no doubt in my mind that any trained dog (that is physically able) would keep up with its owner when the owner was going at that speed....but your training and relationship with the dog is keeping it there - this is not free.

I allow my dogs as free as I can on the dunes or beach and they do sometimes go out of sight - I know many people would not do this and thats fine. They come the majority f times I call them....or they catch up.

I have lost a dog a couple of time - once my mothers dog Saffy who went round a dune one way and as I followed her she lost me the other side (I'm not sure it counts as she is a bit of a dumb blonde!) and Trip on some Set aside fields in Norfolk, similar thing - she went round a hedge and came out a differt place to me. Both times the dogs went and waited back at the car for me to arrive - I was lucky.

In neither place is there a road nearby for the dogs to get on - or I would not allow them this level of freedom.
But I can and I love to do it - but it is SO different from a dog running with you.

Ditto to everything you have said in these last 2 paras, I've had dogs in the past who have gone deaf and become temporarily lost. It is scarey when it happens.

Neither of these dogs went deaf...they just lost me.

I call it temporary deafness !! You are calling and calling and they ignore you Hounds are particularly notorious for this!

I say "Stop please" and mine will stop!

How very polite of you and them (G)!

Loving this thread---very amusing!

rune

Ah that's Mally's for you !!