Looking for an Irish SBT Questions

The IKC stands for Intercontinental Kennel Club, this is the organisation that registers Irish Staffords

It is definitely not the Irish Kennel Club.

Staffordshire Bull Terriers registered with the Kennel Club or the Irish Kennel club.

Irish Staffordshire Bull Terriers are registered with Ed Reids Intercontinental Kennel Club

I would put up a link but don't think it is allowed or appropriate

Hope this really clears it up for you and have a proper read on all the pages posted on this site and iI know what im talking about and these kennel club registered and not intercontinental kennel club registered so put your dummy back in

http://raydelaney.net/terrier_network/staffords/staffordshire_bull_terrier.cfm

http://raydelaney.net/terrier_network/staffords/Irish_breed.cfm

So you are advising Emma that she should get a Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

Well I'm in fits of laughter here

But it must be very confusing for Emma.

The Kennel Club or Irish Kennel Club do not recognise "Irish Staffords" nor do they register them,if a dog is registered with either then it must be a Staffordshire Bull Terrier - End Of!

Well Emma has not come back so she is either running for the Hills thinking she has entered a mad house or she isn't who she says she is.

you really that thick that you cannot distinguish a working dog from a show dog?if you read the article fully it would of explained irish terrier men I dont think the uk held working trials

Now,Now,no need for insults is there

Can you not put your point across without been rude,it appears not.

I have had the Irish Stafford History fully explained to me,by a stafford man who has many many years experience with the Staffordshire Bull Terrier,maybe you ought to get in touch with him he may be able to teach you a thing or two ;-)

Are the dogs you are advising to Emma contact you about Staffordshire Bull Terriers registered with the Kennel Club or the Irish Kennel Club or are they "real Irish Staffords" registered with an other registry.

I just want to know because this is taking so many twists and turns I am not sure what you are saying now.

Your not the only one or perhaps it's just us been thick ;-)

Nope , dont think so, just longford getting his KC and IKC registerd Staffordshire Bull Terriers mixed up with his Irish Stafford's, real or otherwise

flynn and dublin red strain. irish staffys are available if you google them. and im not sure i want to be in the proper 'staffy circles' either to be honest you pompus......
lord give me strength!!!!!
irish staffys, not a breed but a type within a breed.
so called because they originate in ireland!
tall, lean, athletic staffies bread specifically as working/trials/farm dogs they may not come with papers or be recognised by the old boys club but thats not to say they arent lovely dogs. bread for purpose not for sad middle aged men to scrutinise.
avoid the psyco bloodlines cos they were bread to be fighting dogs and were x with pits in the early 90's for that purpose.
i know of 5 'irish' staffys with papers but not from an organisation i recognise. and furthermore id rather have a dirty unregisterd irish staffy any day than an inbread, kc reg, dwarf legged, barrel shaped staffy with too many eyelashes and heart trouble that would cost me 10 grand a year in vets bills to keep alive. and i can say that cos i had one, he was called bam, he was 3 years old when i had to have him put down. the problems started at 8 months because of inbreeding. i couldent walk him far without him becoming ill, his digestive system was bad, his skin was bad and his eyes were a mess and the vet said it wasnt fair on the dog. it broke my heart when his eyes closed and i swore id never have another 'pure bread' staffy untill i met my missises mam and dad who have bread and worked staffys for 10 years and arent elitist ........... who care more about looks than health. and they can trace their dogs heratige back to the 80's
and another thing while im at it, just coss its got kc registerd on the advert it doesnt mean theyre not just in it for the money!!! breeding brother to sister, mother to son to make a few quid!!!!!

brilliant well balanced post

There are some god points in it but sounds a bit bitter to me, Which I can understand. Phrases like, "for fat middle aged men to scrutinised", is were perhaps the balance of the post can't be taken seriously.

I have never put down any kind of dog and I have never said people should not own the type of dog they want.

I have fought to save the life of many a dog at risk because of its appearance.

Four of my Staffords are KC registered very healhy been to the vets for innocuations only. They can walk as much as I want and don't get out of breath, if they have been running very hard they may breath a little heavier.
Health does not need to be comprimised for looks, it is pssible to have both.
One not KC registered same just routine visits.

They are loved just the same.

I do agree with, "just because they are KC registered doesn't mean thy are not just in it for the money".

Dog ownership is so complicated these days ad finding the right dog for you not as easy as buying a pair of shoes.

Just a point I don't think anyone on here has ever called any dog a dirty unregistered Irish Stafford.
In fact the only insulting words on here I have seen have come from supporters of the "Irish Stafford" towards KC registered Stafford.

if you had read the links and put 2 and 2 together you may of realised these were dublin red strain dogs that are in fact kc registered which i would class as real irish staffordshire bull terriers;-) here is another link just for you so you can fully digest the info
http://raydelaney.net/brocstock/about.html

not in the slightest

Well I could have put 2 and 2 together but prefer a must more straight forward approach.
I do know some people who know a lot more than me about the dogs of the past, but I have a sneaking feeling you are not one of them.
Usually they have nothing to prove and tend not to have to put up two links from the same source to prove a point.
A couple of other posts leads me to believe that while you may admire some of these dogs you are not as much n the know as you would like us to believe.

I agree
I have nothing against any breed / type of dog.

All 3 of mine are KC Registered,never had any problems with my boy whatsoever.
The only issue's I have had with my older bitch is with her developing Pyometra,which is not relavent to her been registered or not.

I also don't see anyone dishing out insults towards the "Irish Stafford",yet there are plenty of insults been thrown at the SBT.The only concerns I have regarding the Irish is that they may be regarded as type, therefore putting the dogs life at risk with regard to BSL.

Oh and by the way Danny, I am a woman, not a sad middle aged man ;-)

Danny not sure where you been looking as you deffinately would not be able to buy a pure flynn dog and pure drs are like hens teeth.

Not a dig but psycho was about in the early 80s a splinter from the northford lines and was 1/16th english bull terrier not apbt was a succesful dog and produced well but went the same way as some of the kc dogs being to heavily inbred
Danny I think you have him confused with stormer was out of a kc stafford crossed to an EBT so he was a 50/50 cross
he was bred to an apbt terrier once and most of the pups did not survive he was also bred to lurchers,there is not a line of dogs from him and if someone tells you they have a stormer dog there talking out of there backside

Erm thats not allowed in the KC, I could tell you of plenty "working" folk who do it most regularly though.