Opinions On Crossing GSDs with NIDs Controversial

Well it dident stop you getting one did it.

ooohh!!! now now!! ;-)
infact my n.i was a foster that was supposed to be a sibe,she just never left thats all.;-)

No i dident mean it sarcastic, just a statement

Thing is at the end of the day if people don't want them, they wont buy them. Not really much point debating it if the dogs are health tested and there's a market.

Now if your talking the 'price' of crossbreeds that is a debate and a half
This particular litter is £500 i think, to me that seems a fair price for a health tested pup.

What are the puppies health tested for ? Can't be HD or epilepsy, so apart for Haemophilia in the males & DNA testing for dwarfism, what can the puppies be health tested for ?

Now for a puppy from at least 5 generations of clinically health screened for HD/ED/JC & DNA tested for JRD/Dwarfism & Haemophilia clear ancestors & a pedigree clear of epilepsy producers/siblings, yes £500 is a good price, for any other cross bred puppy it's an awful lot of money

Sorry Joe i should have said health tested parents, i see your point of course but what's a lot of money to one person is a small amount to another.

If you view the dog living 14 years then at £500 its costing you about £35 per year. I spend more than £35 a year on shoes.

Oh yes Louise isnt it funny, how the same folk were talked about when it was talked about in the NI, but now totally understand cos its a break off group they dont like!!

But are these puppies from a minimum of 5 generations of fully health tested parents ? I very much doubt it sadly :-(

i have 2 gsd's and a gsd x newffie (mongrel)
imo any dogs crossbred are mongrels end of....
no pedigree's can be given for a mongrel.

my mistake

I very much doubt that ANY sibe that you people use would be of a decent pedigree!! Every Sibe person I know (and thats a few) would rather eat dog poo than let any NI, NI X breeder use their dogs! If you do have a Sibe, I feel very sorry for it! I could probably reel half of its pedigree and background to you without even looking at it!!

I do remember not so long ago that you were harping on about using the CSV and Saarloos as it was the future for this breed, what happened? would nobobdy let you use their dogs?

STOP BREEDING!!

If you want a GSD X NI head to a rehoming centre there are loads about, I get calls weekly about helping to rehome them!

* sorry for my rant but I see far too many of the NI type dogs needing a home! this has just pushed me over the edge!

I was going to post that, from my observations on this forum, it appears that no decent breeder would allow one of their dogs to be used in a NI cross breeding programme, no matter how careful and dedicated were the breeders but these two posts have already said it.

I think we've seen it all on here; there have been many given opinions from many members that there is no need for another breed - especially a cross - that there are problems in the NI, genetic problems that nobody seems to have a clue about i.e. how or whether they will come out down the line, etc. etc., there are issues/lies over pedigrees - how on earth can anyone be certain of anything where breeding, or crossing, of these dogs are concerned?

Probably not but if i wanted one that would not stop me getting one. I guess you just have to look at the sales of all these types of dog to realise like it or not they are in demand.

No worries

No offence Gemma but you and other Husky rescue services get calls everyday for people wanting to rehome Husky's and i don't see you saying stop breeding them.

What a very silly point to make!! I would love nothing more than the stupid idiots that stick 2 random dogs together to stop breeding! You did notice that this thread is "opinions on crossing GSD's with NIDs"

Infact im doing a fundraiser tomorrow and will be bleating on about people not breeding all day! The same as I did today with a woman with an 8 month old lab that she wanted to breed "just because, its nice for a bitch to have a litter"

So you would buy a puppy from unhealth tested ancestors ? Oh dear how sad.

It's part & parcel of today's"see it, want it now"society. For the life of me I cannot understand why people still buy or even want these designer dogs, when there are two breeds that are now legal in the UK already in existence, that can be obtained from good breeders on the continent with full pedigrees of health tested adults.

Just like a puppy buyer who buys a puppy of a recognized breed from unhealth tested parents because of the outward appearance(colour, coat length, size etc)so many end up in rescue or on the scrapheap, because of health & temperament problems.

I still meet people who buy unregistered puppies from unhealth tested parents & they wonder why the puppy costs them so much at the vets.

Roll on the day that all breeding dogs have to have a full health & character screening regardless of breed & that insurance firms will not touch puppies from untested parents or make insuring them extremely expensive encouraging the public to go for healthy dogs from good breeders. Unlike at present where I am being charged more for Roodee's insurance because he is from registered health tested parents than I would be pay if he was unregistered (been online for quotes for registered & unregistered puppies & am astounded by the results)

But this is a cross breed....you may get more of the sibe nature....it is a lottery - you cannot be sure.

Thats great for you - but what about the people it does not work for....like the 'doodle breeders who say that their pups will not shed....you will not know till it's grown up, wormed its way into your heart and has to stay!

Exactly.

Excellent post and i agree with every word.

This perhaps shows that insurance companies have found most crossbreeds are insurable as hardly any claims are made does it not?