Opinions On Crossing GSDs with NIDs Controversial

I think this is very concerning, I dont see how a clear breeding programme can begin with so much cloak and dagger yet again.

Like it or lump it there is a demand for wolf lookalike dogs. Given that FACT ask yourself, keep inbreeding or outcross?
Looking back through all the threads here i would have thought the answer is obvious.

Me too WW.



Take care. Hope the furbabies are all ok

Seoniad.

here we go again
what do you think you are going to achieve?
i am very saddened by this(and the sibe owners know in their heart they are doing wrong) :-( :-(
oh well,sounds like my house would be a perfect N.i factory???
well it aint a happening ;-)

yip ;-)
they are called the Saarloos and csv or...runs n hides,some gsds's, no need to create cross breeds imo :? :?

Well I am glad to hear that Nes has nothing more to say.

There is nothing cloak and dagger about this - we are being open and honest about what we are doing and hoping to achieve. The pedigrees are being recorded correctly and show exactly what each dog is - something that was never done in the first place and caused so much controversy about the NI breed.

And finally, no, NI are NOT safe to be bred NI to NI - which is reason for needing to outscross - and that is the last time I am going to explain this. Genuine questions can be directed through our websites.

Just one last thing - Nes seems to have an attraction to longcoat GSDs - hence her many naive questions on here from time to time about them - so it surprises me that she wouldn't be interested in GSD looking NI?

This sums up my feelings pretty well too. Out crossing when done correctly does have something to add to a narrow gene pool the problem lies when NOT doing it well. This could have the opposite effect and bring more problems into the breed. The breeders involved in this have a poor track record of jumping from one breed to another getting black listed and moving on again . . Whats that saying about leopard and spots???

As for the BUA scheme there is no comparrison (sp?) they have been planning this for years have a well though out scheme with all there members being well informed. There is a lot of planning gone into this BEFORE the first litter was produced and has the backing of all its memebers. I know they have nothing to hide and if asked would be happy to tell you the other breeders involved in this.

With regards to what Lousie was saying, yes i know GSD was in my breed at the start but it isnt anymore. most breeds started as crosses but it doesnt mean we should keep adding the original breeds back in willy nilly. Look at the Dally and what people have tried to achive by outcrossing and people still wont except it!

Stop producing the product (not you personally) and the demand will go away?
Is the demand being fed to cash in?

Is it so 'cloak and dagger'? It was easy to find out the GSD stud dog owner. Have they been 'snubbed' by the GSD world?

Thanks for the bit in brackets as i'm not a breeder.;-)
I do however have three dogs that fall into this catagory and may well have a fourth in the future so i would not want breeders to stop producing them. If health tests are done then i have no problem with breeders making money, its their job afterall.

As for the GSD owner i have no idea if she's been snubbed or not.

Hi Tupac
Not everybody can handle or desires the personality of Saarloos and CSV.

You need look no further than your own breed here Rachel, pot and kettle time!!! Come on now, high hip scores, patchy coats, NO hip scoring etc.... At least these dogs are being tested and the results being taken note of not ignored!

But not things are moving forward and we are sticking to one breed of dog. For exapmle to reg breeding stock born2009 with the NIS they have to be hip scored, elbow score and eyetested.

The breeders involved with this outcrossing seem to have a different flavour of the month. It was CWD and wolfdogs before now its GSDs.

LOL The NIS people jump on Mal/Sibe people when they moan about our breeds being used/crossed to create these dogs..yet here are the NIS people moaning that the NI is being crossed..

Can you say HYPOCRITES!!

I am not moaning about them being crossed i am moaning about them being crossed badly which is going to gain either breeds little in the long run.

I feel the same about the whole doodle thing and yet i have never owned a lad, golden or poodle. so i am not sure how that makes me a Hypocrite . . .

No - nor the Mal...or Sibe....or GSD for that matter.

Thats like saying I want a border collie - but cannot cope with the herding instinct!

If you cannot cope with a breed trait you should consider whether you should really be keeping the dog - or whether it is better to admire from afar until you are a) in a position to cater for the needs or b) feel more able to train and live with one.

Sorry i don't agree, for me i wanted a sibe but could not cope with the no off lead rule, i did not see that as much of a life for a pet dog and as i was not going to be working the dog a type of dog that had husky included but brilliant recall suited me perfectly and that's what ive got, 3 of them.

hiya
and they know what they will get with a crossbreed :? :? if the csv or saarloos temprement is not desired i dont think something with a mix of gsd and sibe is going to have the desired temprement either:? :?

i agree.;-)

Well it worked out fine for me Tupac, dont you have an NI?

This is also what drew me away from another husky, i love seeing my dogs enjoying there freedom.

thats great it has! but imo it is a lottery as n.i's are crosses and their is no way of telling what part of their herritage they will take after.;-)
yes i do have an n.i ;-)