Northern Inuit Puppie in PAH General Chat

Bragging about the truth is simply people being proud of their lines and what they have acheived..

Advertising cross breeds as registered and show champs and of course the famous WOLF look a like line is the lowest of the low..I suppose I really shouldn't be surprised they are advertising on crap websites too..

Oh..and just for your info..I dont' show dogs..never have..never will

Oh so do I, but they tend to be same types that I dont care for anyway, breed to sell and get rid when the "usefulness" has passed.

Louise,

Try to calm down please. I have never suggested you "show dogs" and have no interest in whether you do or dont. It makes you neither a better or worse dog owner in my eyes anyway.

Advertising crossbreeds as KC registered is wrong and I cant agree with that obviously but that is not the topic we were discussing.

You have your opinions on wolf-lookalikes and all of that stuff and your welcome to them-again youve never met any of the breeders/dogs therefore I cant see that your viewpoint is logical or balanced. However, of course, you have a right to an opinion.

The bottom line is that many KC registered breeders make money from the fact that they have successful showstock in the lines. This in itself is a form of advertising and provides part of the motivation for doing well in shows. It is neither right nor wrong but IT IS ADVERTISING THROUGH WORD OF MOUTH OR OTHERWISE. Just as putting an ad in the freeads for healthy vetchecked pups is.

I therefore cant agree with your point and perhaps we should agree to differ

I am perfectly calm thanks..

I haven't met any of the dogs or breeders?? LOL its funny how wrong you are One should not assume..

Yes advertising through word of mouth is because they are recommended by others due to their being good breeders..Like I said..good breeders dont have to advertise either on their own sites or on freeads!! or on KC pages etc etc.

Having to advertise in free ads or websites and listing the poor pup as URGENT (to get rid) is really bad!!

I really dont' care if you don't agree with me..its not like its the first thing we have disagreed on now is it!

In fact what was the point of you lowering yourself to come here just to disagree with me? and Dawn LOL

A rather disturbing image just popped into my head!

Yes, I expect it did.

Bottom line as far as Im concerned though, is that you shouldnt need to advertise if your litter is planned and researched carefully first. As I said though, when you are constantly producing puppies, its often those breeders that will advertise permanently sometimes, on free ad sites.

I do appreciate some people will have more puppies in a litter than those that may be waiting for them, however, that, to me is the perfect reason NOT to breed another litter very quickly afterwards.

Louise,

Clearly we also have different definitions for the word "calm".

Im glad we can sort of agree to differ!

Regarding your last paragraph- On the contrary- the debate has been both "educational" and invigorating!

nite nite all!

Hi,

At the risk of sounding completely dumb, what's the purpose of removing the rear dew claws in pups?

If a dog is a working dog, or is going to be, I could understand the concern about the claws catching and the dog being injured whilst working but does that mean the front dew claws are also removed?

Laura xx

Not sure how to highlight but I do take exception to the fact that good breeders dont advertise.
There's adverts in the dog press every week from top breeders for puppies, in fact every single breed ad could be construed as a puppy ad. Yet really the only people who read Dog World and Our Dogs are in the show scene.
Maybe my breeds rare but the top breeders all advertise on Champ Dogs the rest sit back and wait for us to pass out over spill on because there too tight to pay the subs.
By the way I get loads of word of mouth enquiries last time two of them wouldnt have bought a toy dog off me.
The world is not black and white.
The Webs the first point of call nowadays for most things.

If you say so jacquie but as I say we all have different definitions of good

I'm sure we do my cousins looking for a Yorkie bitch and she doesnt know were to go about it, as I show I've given her links to the KC site etc.
People who want a nice well bred dog dont neccesarily know how to find one, and resort to the internet.
The site I? use wont register the litter until they've checked the KC site for the sire and dam, usually takes 24 hrs.
As Brons been bred before her health checks are on there a well

When I bred, because I wanted another of my own, I announced a breeding that was going to take place on my website, I also did the same on CD's but the truth was I already had a list of potential owners, I got that list by people contacting me saying that they had researched into the breed and wanted to know if I was breeding in the future, I then interviewd those families, for each litter I had approx 20 families on my list, some had actually waited from the list from my previous litter 3 years before, I interviewed FAR more than 20 families many were rejected, I did it this way because I did not want to sell any of my pups to people that called on a whim, I wanted people that had researched the breed and had researched ME, thats why I will never advertise on the puppy sites that have been mentioned. its just how I go about this, my choice.

Mo

I personally don't like the idea of money as a motivation for breeding, even if it's not the sole reason. I see the same people advertising time and again in the free ads, and people breeding lots of designer crosss, staffy crosses and likely 'accidental' litters. The motivation behind a lot of these matings is likely to be money, but the same can be said of some KC breeders. I like it when I see a decent advert on the free ads, and I hope some potential puppy buyers might see it to, and perhaps might realise there's a bit more to breeding than putting any old male and female dog together.

It would be brilliant if people didn't need to advertise, but if we only relied on 'top breeders' (by name only) selling to their cliques, it's likely that more people will go to puppy farm outlets like dogs4us etc. I don't like the notion either, that only those 'connected' (in the show fraternity or on the internet etc.) are the ones that will be aware of a good litter. Ultimately, we need less people to be buying badly bred or puppy farmed litters, so if advertising on the free ads stops one person from buying a dog bred in a puppy farm, then so be it!

I you want a pup for yourself, have a decent amount of people interested too, have a dog of good quality with no health issues, can put it to another good dog and produce pups with a low COI, but unfortunately have had people let you down or you have a large litter, I don't see the problem with advertising on the free ad sites. I just don't like to see them used as a place for people to shift a litter quick 'cause they need the cash.

Good post.

I'll second that

I third it!! xxxxxxxxx

Good post.

Youl have to forgive the banter between myself borderdawn and more particularly Louise. We have a long history of mutual disrespect!

Anyway I really was trying to make a serious point along the lines of what you said about cliques etc.

The thing is, as another poster has just said, things are not black and white- there are always shades of grey.

I dislike the snobbery which says- all dogs/breeders on freeads and potential owners are substandard in some way. Its simply not true.

Breeders clearly have to make potential owners aware of possible pups coming up. How they choose to do that is totally up to them. Its the vetting process and underlying care/ health checking and socialisation of the animals which is really the important factor here. Not who's chums with who.

Another good post, Geezer

the thing is..you get the people who WANT IT NOW..and they may try to go to good breeders and be refused..simply for not researching etc..and those breeders rightly tell them to go read up etc but they WANT IT NOW>>and they will almost always get it now..from a BYB..as they don't care..as long as you have the money..

I waited years for my pup..could have had 10 in the space of time..but I was very set on what I wanted and there was only a couple of breeders that could give me what I wanted..


I think a lot of peoples definition of good breeder can be hugely different..

Such as...the most prolific breeder..(quantity NOT quality) their dogs are placed the most at shows etc..but only because there are so many of them..not because they are good.and of course pass on their older dogs as they can't breed from them anymore..(some might see that as a fab breeder..I don't!)

Or someone who breeds only a litter every year or 2 and keeps to further their own lines..(Now thats on the right road)

Or someone who has the sire and the dam, doesn't show(of course using the KC programme as an excuse) doens't want to register their dogs.... doens't show etc...A(ANother no no to me)

Im now beginning to understand the origins of the word "dogmatic"

Louise,

What people "want it now". Where is your evidence please? How do you know people havent researched breeds thoroughly? As far as I can see this is your assumed prejudice of anyone that happens to use a freead in relation to breeding or buying dogs.

Bottom line is there is no evidence which justifies writing off every person in this situation. Nonsense mi lady!!