What other wolf crosses have their been Discussions

Well, I can assure you my father is MOST reliable. At nearly 90 years old, he has all his faculities, all his marbles, but does have a hearing aid due to his ear being constantly pounded by the gun mounted on his tank during the war ! If he tells me he knew a "dox" from his childhood in Notts, then I believe him. I also believe my friend who lives in Devon ...

Now folks,

Back on more of a "wolfy" type topic:

Since being on this "friendly and informative forum" I have become "educated" in the fact that "wolflookalike breeders" who charge £1000 and upwards for a dog are "immoral".

I have also been "educated" in the fact that "wolflookalike owners" are "stupid" and "idiots" for paying such a fee.

It seems, though, the fee of £500 is acceptable to pay for a dog (as long as its registered with the corrupt KC of rule brittannia!!)

I would like to know what sum is the point at which breeders become "moral" and owners become "intelligent and informed".

As explained in an earlier post I believe the figure is £529.34 sterling.

This is directed at no-one in particular so everyones welcome to have a guess at "the magic figure"!

your thoughts please?

Any dog is worth what anyone will pay for it.

As long as the people who are buying understand what they are getting it isn't a problem IMO.

What I don't like is the pretence that the dogs are likely to be KC registered soon and the other hype that goes along with the wolf look alike crossbred dogs.

I'd pay for one or for the oodle cross I'd like. But----that would be with full knowledge of what I was doing.

rune

depends how important money is to a person:?
i personally dont think it matters what you decide to spend on a dog(nothing or lots) if YOU are happy with your choice so to me 'priceless' is my magic figure lol(cop out);-)

£529.34 sounds reasonable to me, would it be out of order to round it up to £530 or would that be classed as tipping

Dingo's canbreed with dogs, coyotes and wolves. The dingo was originally a domestic dog, that has reverted to wild state, so is not really a seperate distinct species. Especially now when you concidder that on main land australia, it is believed that arround 80% of dingos have hybridised with domestic dogs.

oh yeah,oops australian cattle dogs have dingo blood:?

Not saying anyone is lying, was just quoting some text.

I think it is unsubstantuated because no one who has said they have one of these hybrids has ever had it confirmed by dna testing. Obviously, a few years ago, that wasn't an option, but today, if I thought I had a dox, I'd want to have it tested, to prove they do infact exist.

£555.55.

I think the reason some people have an issue with the price of saarloos for example is because they charge a lot more for one here than they do in europe. But, if the breed is the right one, then people will pay it, and thats their choice.

Hi Rune,

Bold type again- what "hype"?. As far as I can see most of the "hype" exists here on Dogsey and is mainly of the negative variety.

Nobody told me my dogs were going to be KC registered when I bought them and if they did- id ask them to clean up the corrupt organisation first before I gave them any cash.

I knew exactly what I was getting and have a 6 generation pedigree ( and no I dont wish to bring my dogs into it due to the slanging that goes on).

I knew the pluses and negatives, I knew at times theyd be hard. I know theyre worth what I paid. I know im not "stupid" or an "idiot" and I know the care and attention my breeders took over my dogs.

It seems though, with some posters, the sum of £1000 is the problem here-so whats the magic number?

Where the heck is KC Jack????

thats because they are a rare breed here,not the case in europe(stating the obvious i know)i dont think anyone would want to brag about how much a saarloos /czech costs...i for one wont tell people how much my dogs cost (from 0-?) and quite often thats the first thing i get asked,before anything else!!!

I thought it was impossible for a dog and a fox to mate and produce the 'dox' I think it was something to do with chromosomes and the structer of both animals.

shes on dog health;-) ;-)

Hi Tazer,

Exactly, its their choice. Which is why people get narked about being called "idiots" or "stupid". If the breeders charged less they would be accused of "appealing to the mass market" if they charge more they are suddenly "immoral". They would be criticised regardless of the value. The price is the price- there are a lot of informed people who researched the dogs thoroughly who then went on to pay "the price". People who arent "stupid". People who have owned and payed for pedigrees before. In this "debate" the price is irrelevant. This is my point.

No, Vulpes is part of the canid family, although not closely related enough to the wolf and the dog to produce viable young - the resultant young of a fox/dog or fox/wolf mating would be F1's and therefore infertile.

Can you show me some proof of this please, only I have never ever heard of it, despite knowing a person that has kept an "unspayed" Fox for 7 yrs along with his 4 Terriers, 3 of them are entire males. I understand Foxes and Dogs have a different amount of chromosomes making it impossible to crossbreed. Fox species can be crossed, but not with the Fennec Fox.

Hybrids.....there have been cases of viable young (mainly seen in Mules and Hinnies I believe)...but that is a different thread.

RE - costing - I guess people will charge as much as they can get - as long as people are willing to pay people will continue to charge.

I don't think I would pay 4 figures for a dog....but if you have it and thats what you wnat to spend its up to you.

It is not impossible for fox and dog or fox and wolf to mate ... Vulpes is part of the canid family, and therefore mating is possible. Rare of course, but possible. However, the young, being F1 hybrids, are of course infertile, hence a new "species" could never be established.

I can't prove it ... I can get some more details of exactly how, what and when from my father. He is nearly 90, so it is a heck of a long time ago, but if he cannot remember the ins and outs, his cousin is still alive who may be able to help.

Then, there is my friend who lives in Devon. I can contact her and get some more details. It is very interesting, because if it hadn't been for my father telling me this, to be honest I don't think I would have believed my friend. The fact that she is terribly anti wolf crosses, "doodles" etc. makes her story more credible I think. I haven't spoken to her for ages, so it will be a good excuse for a jaw!

That was how I understood it. Kind of like ligers tiger x lion hybrid or tigon depending on which way round the mating is. The males are sterile, but the females are fertile apparantly, whitch is why they can be crossed back to a tiger or lion, or leopard in some cases.

I remember reading that somewhere, will try to dig it out for you, its def interesting reading, even if you're not a cat person.