What other wolf crosses have their been Discussions

Lol ! Nearly 2 years later it still resembles the Somme ! Every time I wrench my ankle in a Hal hole I curse the old git !

I know you were just using the pitbull as a comparison, I quite agree with what you say ... my parent's last but two staffies was part pit-bull, unbeknown to them. A more delightful dog you could not wish to meet. As always, it is a case of blame the owners, not the dogs.

Everyone that knows me on this forum knows I hate liars, so not revealing anything am I, at least I tell the truth. So carry on talking to yourself or maybe you can make another account for yourself as you did before and then you can have a chat to yourself again. Oh but there again you might get banned again so perhaps not such a good idea.

Does anyone have any thoughts on my post regarding the KC of GB, the breeders surrounding it etc?

I believe I was suggesting that if it's corruption and bad breeding people are worried about-why arent the issues here being discussed so vehemently. Perhaps all this wolfdoggy stuff helps to deflect from the real dog related issues in our glorious Island(s)? or perhaps its just politics?

Im loving all the descriptive insults between everyone at the moment- its like Dynasty without the door slamming!

Im getting "personal insult withdrawal symptoms". A few posts on Dogsey and nobodies had a proper go! Cmon people!

Insult withdrawal, I'm sure I could remidy that.

Geezer, you are a horible cheeky git .

Feel better now lol.

On a serious note ref the kc. There has been a few threads on here about that, and the bbc documentary. Like someone else has already stated, the gsd you refer to, was from Germany, not the uk.

I can't stand the look of the show gsd, from any country, Germany, uk, usa, they all look so far removed from what they were suposed to imo.

However, the kc has altered the breed standards to try to improve things, and there are a number of health screening skeems available, yes, there is still room for improvement, but unless the top breeders, judges, breed clubs actually get on board with it, then no matter what the kc tries to do, it'll fail.

I am not a new member. I may not have been posting but I have been reading. I don't remember mentioning any crowd?

Nowhere have I said I don't want to meet people and their dogs before forming an opinion---nor have I said anywhere that I haven't met people and their dogs!

You seem to be putting words into my mouth and assuming various things as well.

As it happens I have met a fair few but before I make any decisions I'd want to look into it a lot more.

Of course it will become the norm to see them up for rescue----why should they be any different to anything else? The fact that I very quickly did find one says it all. It will only get worse.

I take it by positive feedback you want me to give the breeders who do take the dogs back a pat on the back? In my world all good breeders should take their dogs back----and the responsibility should also rest with the owner of the dog if it is a different person. That is a given, not some wonderful thing that only breeders of these dogs do. (and, as with all breeds, some obviously don't).

rune

Tazer,

Much better thanks.

Yep ok Ive been corrected about where it was from by Mahooli. My point still stands about the breed and others which are allowed to remain registered with deliberately bred health defects . Allowed to enter into the top shows.

If there is a problem with the breeders- why not attack them with the same vehemence as the "wolfdoggy lot"?

There have been a few posts-yes. But not many compared to the wolfdoggy mob.

It is my feeling that as soon as someone dares to breed or own utes/NIs/saarloos/csvs or crosses they are immediately jumped on because of prior prejudice by some. There is a lot more to this than meets the eye. Its football teams-its human tribal behaviour.

The KC isnt trying nearly hard enough. The thing is I have absolutely nothing against any dog in particular. Im getting a bit soft in my old age and quite like a few of the toy dogs (maybe Im coming out?). I just hate the fact that the KC is implicit in all this deliberate breeding of health defects in order to satisfy a doctrine.

All this stuff about pedigrees being healthier than crossbreeds is, Im afraid, total B*****s for the reasons ive explained.Some People assume because you have a crossbreed you know nothing about parentage. Again B******s- I have a 6 generation "pedigree" and an adequate understanding of both breeds. Yes there are problems with the NI- there are also problems with Labs,GSDs, etc etc etc etc.

I think they are...I have been involved in several threads where by the bad breeding practices of pedigrees has been slated.

I am someone who does not tend to stick to any one section of this forum....(unless maybe I tend to go into the picture thread a bit more than I should ) I always do a search on latest posts and go from there....

Hi Rune,

Regarding the bold type- Im assuming we both live on planet earth unless youve reached Valhalla already

I think you said something like- youd already read between the lines on the internet-I realise Im paraphrasing though.

When you say youve met a fair few? Which breeds or crosses? Im not having a go here its just theyre all different.

Myself and Banji offered you the chance of a wee chat- idve thought youd jump at the chance! Instead you were a little bit "catty" and rather arrogant explaining that mine were "still babies".

Seems like prejudice to me. Maybe weve just got off on the wrong paw though.

Where the heck is KC Jac? She should be on this thread like a shot!

Hi Tassle,

I dont agree. The "debate" is not at the same level. It is not at the level it should be given the numbers of dogs involved with the KC.

Im not having a go at you- as you know I believe everyone's different. However certain small groups do have agendas. Misinformation and half-truths are spread- suddenly when a wolfdogowner or wolflookalike owner dares to enter Dogsey- well, I think you know how I feel!

Did you want me to praise the breeders for taking the dogs back----is that what you meant by positives? If not can you explain what you did mean?

When the time comes for me to get another dog I will talk to everyone I can about all the breeds and crosses I am interested in-----unless I end up having an impulse rescue. The one time I actually had a pedigree dog which was well thought out and researched that is what I did. Until then I will pick up bits and pieces from various sources. The CW forum is very interesting.

I wasn't intending to be arrogant---I think maybe you are being over sensitive.

My only prejudice is that I feel many people (not you) are being conned (in the same way that some 'oodle owners are) and the dogs are not being rehomed responsibly-----I know that for a fact.


I also know it happens in all breeds, doesn't make it right though.

My other choice of dog at the moment is a springer/poodle cross, again a lot of money for a mongrol!


rune---BTW I'm not doing Valhalla, Nirvana maybe.

This is My thoughts...

Because the organisation that 'manages' the breeds also 'manages' the shows...You are looking at 2 seperate problems that push each other on. 1) the breeders and 2) the KC...each making mistakes and neither able to make that break. Some breeds have issues, no-one is denying this. BUT in the main the breeds who have iissues have been exploited by people for finacial gain.....

I have no doubt the KC have not been hard enough - and I have had several collisions with them (via email) with regards to certain issues and thier lack of commitment to these issue, but you cannot tar all breeders with the same brush....many do health all the health checks they can and also temperment test.

I really don't know where you have been looking - there have been several rather abrupt threads (maybe they get locked before you can read them )
People get VERY heated when talking about bad breeders in any breed.

Agreed - but it is not entirely thier fault....it has to be sahred by the breed clubs and breeders....many of whom are just in this for the money - charging massive amounts for dogs and treating them a business.

But that does not make it right.....surely with everything we know now it should be possible to create a healthy dog.....
This is why (I feel) people get so heated.....anytime one of these threads appears any of the health issues raised are always countered with...well there are issues in other breeds....I would have thought that would make the bredeers of this new 'type' more careful...I guess people do not learn from the mistakes of others

RE - Costs...As my pedigree has (so far) been very healthy and (one of) my crossbreeds has just cost me a small fortune and has to be on tablets for the rest of her life...I am holding out on that belief at the moment. Personal experience plays into this a lot.

No ! Too late now ! I tell you, that dog could dig a hole a few inches deep in less than a minute, he was an absolute terror. I had a black moment when I was digging his grave and struggling with the task because of tree roots etc., and turned to my hubby and said "You know who we need to help us, don't you!"

Good post Tassle. I have always thought that it would be a good idea to judge the different breeds not on looks but on their ability to perform the function for which they were bred. Labradors would need to demonstrate excellent swimming skills, bloodhounds to follow a scent, spaniels to retrieve game from tangled undergrowth, pointers to point, etc. etc. That way, it wouldn't matter a toss what the dog looked like as long as it was recognisable as that particular breed.

LOL...Yes I do have a problem with wolf crosses and yes I do have a problem with muppets breeding Bengals..(hence why our cat was rescued in the first place!!!!!)

I have a Bengal cat as she is a rescue..she needed a home..so why would I not take her in?? because of the muppets who bred her..I don't think so!!

IF I came across a wolf cross that needed a home I would probably take it in too...won't stop me having a problem with the breeders who make the mess though...as I have always said..its the breeders not the dogs I have a problem with!

Simply the fact that it only takes a second to turn deaf and take off and be smacked upside the head by a bus..not willing to take the chance thanks..

Yes you should know the full names of all the breeders you are claiming to be good breeders, what about their kennel names, maybe if you posted them it would help?

So basically you went out of your way to get an illegal dog, bred illegally and then went on to breed from him yourself? Would you support pitbull people for doing that? I think this post says an awful lot about you and has confirmed what I think of you as being accurate.

Erm what happened to deed not breed? Now if you want to know why I think you're a snob that post says it all.

Yes can't wait for the rat pits to open again, also the bull and bear baiting bits, then of course the badger baiting and fox baiting for the terriers and dachshunds.
Absolutely going to love to see the test for sompanion dogs, what do you think, being able to sit on some's lap for 5 minutes? Play with a tennis ball?

Becky

The trouble with generalisations is that they`re a bit too general. Yes some strains or types of pedigree dogs have health problems which unscrupulous or ignorant breeders are ignoring, but that doesn`t mean you junk the whole cider harvest for the sake of a few rotten apples.
Most pedigree dogs have no health issues. Most cross-breeds (and I`m talking about deliberate cross-breeds) are no healthier than most pedigrees.
Statistics can prove anything. Statistics on euthanised dogs at a vet. practice will include
dogs pts for behavioural problems
unwanted dogs & puppies
grossly overweight dogs
cruelty cases
breeding bitches
etc, etc.
A lot of `causes` of death in dogs is the same as that in humans - heart stopped. OK the dog may have been fed rubbish all its life and only excercised at weekends then taken on a nice run run behind the new bike - but the cause of death would be put down as heart failure.
Geezer, you can`t expect people to nod sagely at your words if they are not backed up by evidence rather than hearsay.

Absolutely, I think it would not only be great fun for both dogs and humans, but would sort out the men from the boys as it were. There is little use for a labrador that can only win prizes as a show dog but does not have a love of water, or a pug or peke who "doesn't do laps"! I would love to have seen some of those poor crippled GSDs we used to watch win prizes at Crufts chase and bring down an escaping criminal from a crime scene !

but what louise is trying to say(i think) as with sibes and im sure the other northern breeds is that,its not that they cant have brilliant recall,i know many trained in competive o and agility.its that they were bred to think for themselves.99.9% of the time they will come back but in the case of sibes,if you told them to take you over ice that wasnt safe they had to be independent enough to say 'no way' and thus you didnt all die.i think this is the easiest way to explain it.

Louise!

Lovely to hear from you again I assume it took you a while to get back as you couldnt find any of the posts where I said my dogs were "superior", I was an "expert", or my dogs recall was "fabulous"

Actually my lovely Louise-they are still Babies (and were at the time) and as ever you have ignored the entire content of the post and found picked what you wish to find. Anyway never mind that- id like to concentrate on another one of your other numerous hypocricies.

I am fascinated with these bengal cats you own- absolutely fascinated!- so much so that Ive been doing a little "research" on the internet-rather like yourself infact?

Apparently these animals are Asian Leopard Cat Hybrids!! i.e. descended recently from wild animals which presumeably should be "roaming free"! In fact even more interestingly there was no structured breeding programme at all until very recently. Unlike with the Saarloos who were all meticulousy bred- wolf matings there, of course, ended in the 60s- at least 10 years earlier than with your Bengals!

Fascinating stuff- if anyone's interested- wikipedia have a very interesting page which also states that until recent DEFRA changes to the law one needed a "wild animal license" to own one of these animals in the UK.

Now of course ive just read about these animals and never actually met one so I dont feel qualified to brag about my own "knowledge"

Im actually quite interested in getting another cat- this breed interests me. Could you tell me which rescue centre you got yours from and ill maybe give them a tinkle and see if theres any more coming in I could actually meet before forming a prejudiced judgement?

Id rather not get one from a breeder as, since being educated on Dogsey, I realise that I am incapable about making big decisions on my own finances. Apparently £500 is moral and £1000 is not. Where, I wonder, is the magic number where ammoral becomes moral? My guess is £529.34 sterling- any other takers?

The only thing that concerns me is, with their recent wild Asian Leopard Cat heritage and completely uncontrolled breeding programme are these animals not a bit of a "ticking time bomb"?