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What are you on about???

the weakness is that you sit here and go on about how wonderful these dogs are and how fabulous their recall is but neglect to mention what I already have and you have said was your dogs?

Thats the weakness...nothing to do with the love for your dogs or your g/f and the only way around it is for you to name me as a non dog lover.....yeah...I hate dogs..honestly I do...I would never share a house with such horrible things

Think what you like at least I tell the truth....so you can slag me off all you please..won't make a difference to me.

Found it.

To be honist, I can't see anywhere where the behaviours are being condoned, an explanation is being given as to why they occur, whether you agree with that interpritation of the behaviours is another matter entirely, but I honistly don't see where it says, this is acceptable because etc. They are asking how to make it stop, which tells me that it isn't acceptable behaviour.

Hopefully they'll be sucessful in getting it to stop. Its not something I'd be happy with either.

Never said it was being condoned..I was saying it was happening..and yet here they sit and advise how wonderful this breeding is...
I would be holding fire on comments like that until they are at least somewhere near maturity!.. and I certainly would not be allowing them anywhere near novice owners!

Hi,

Thankyou for your honesty Tazer. As Im sure your aware I am no expert and have never claimed to be.

The behaviours were not acceptable. On all counts we have seen a marked improvement. Some of the advice the expert has provided has proved valuable some of it not so. We have also incorporated our own ideas and some from a very experienced Saarloos owner on the continent.

Whether sometimes we do or do not agree with the experts advice. It is nice to have a forum where both of us feel friendly non judgemental advice is given. Unfortunately the other poster only offers verbal abuse.

This is why there is no dogsey or CW "cult" really. What I mean is not everyone is the same. I have a jaded view of "some" on Dogsey. You and others may have a jaded view of "some" on CW. I have learnt that you are not all the same- even if we disagree on a number of issues.

muchos respect

Wups, sorry, must have misinterprited your earlier post.

I'm not getting envolved with what he may or may not have said about his dogs.

Oh, and your not the only one who doesn't like hamsters, snakes yes, got 2 of them, hamster no.

Whats worrying is that a so called expert on Wolves who has no qualifications as such regarding them, is offering advice to people about their DOGS! I found what Louise saw and its very worrying to me, when somebody says that the owners of a dog should be mindful of how a dog feels about a person that was making a fuss of her moments before she bit her on the nose, it may come across as this behaviour was ok and it wasnt. This person has absolutely no qualifiations in dog or Wolf behaviour, many of these dogs are owned by novice owners and I personally think its very dangerous to offer such advice.

Your welcome.

I'm glad to hear you're having success, I'm sure you'll get there in the end.

I've tried things that havn't worked out after being told to do so, but that is all part of the learning prosess as far as I'm concerned, people make mistakes, some bigger than others, its what you do about it that matters in my humble oppinion.

With regards to the other part of your post. There have been times when people on the other forum have got on my nerves, the main reason was generalising all of the people on this site as being one in the same. I try to take people as I find them, sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't its no big deal. Its when differences in oppinion can't be accepted or respected when problems arrise.

Borderdawn,

No banter here just a serious point.

I am not sure what dog you are referring to about biting someone on the nose but I would just like to point out these are not my dogs being referred to here.

Also I think we should be careful about bandying around the term novice owner. Much hilarity has been made of me ONLY having a couple of Black labs before this -it could certainly be argued that I am a novice owner. My partner however has owned 5 breeds: lab,retriever, rough collie, staffie/lurcher cross, irish setter all over a period of 25 years.

We are novice owners with this breed. Despite our combined experience we are not too arrogant to ask for help or advice on our chosen dogs from a variety of sources. You may disagree with one of these sources as is your absolute right.

That is all I wish to say on the matter. For the reasons myself and more particularly my partner have expressed.

Like I said, wether you or I agree with that interpritation of the behaviour and or the advice given is another matter.

I personally am not a fan of the guy, SE I mean. I am aware he doesn't have any formal qualifications in dog behaviour or wolf behaviour, I will not condem someone for asking for help with their dog. If the advice given leads to anyone being hurt, then it'll be SE himself who should be held accountable, not the people asking for advice.

After all, he has put himself out there as an expert, wether you or I agree or not is in the end is irrelivant. People will choose to believe him and follow his advice some won't. I am concerned, but I will with hold my condemnation for now at least.

Hi Jon.

This is genuine for me too, Im am worried and concerned about the advice offered. The dog that "connected" with a persons face was a female, I dont think Louise implied it was yours and neither am I. I think its good of SE to offer his time, but I feel its very dangerous to give advice on serious behaviour issues when you have no qualifications on the subject and if Im honest, as much as I can get airiated (is that a word?) about these dogs and how they are being bred, I would never want to see one harm somebody, nor have an owner in trouble because of bad advice.

To me the advice given is more or less saying the behaviour (your dog included in chasing and barking at joggers) is "normal" but Jon these things are not acceptable as you rightly pointed out yourself. My concern is that things may get out of hand with owners feeling their dog is being "normal" but in fact could end up in very serious trouble. I dont think for one minute that SE would dream of condoning any bad behaviour, I just dont think its responsible to offer advice in this capacity, as he clearly likens them to Wolves, and they are not, they a pet dog living in our homes with our families.

I hope you understand my point. Im sure Louise is concerned for the same reasons I am, and nothing more. She certainly IS a dog lover too Jon!

Yes you have said pretty much how I feel, it concerns me that people may follow his advice, when he has no qualifications in dog OR wolf behaviour, and more so I doubt has ever seen any of the dogs he is advising of. Im not trying to be difficult, but very genuinely concerned.

I so agree with you Dawn, I think SE should really keep to wolves, the people he is giving advice to have these dogs in their homes and these dogs need different training than wolves in cages. CW has only had this breed for a very short while and has made so many mistakes with them, so where are these owners going to get proper help? It just makes me mad and sad at the same time.

Dito. My greatest concern is, that if there is an insident, even if it is only one, there will be a lot of people in this society calling for blood, and we both know whoose blood it'll be. More so, when you add the word wolf, a lot of people will have the same reaction to that word, as they do to pitbull.

We'll then end up with a situation like pitbulls, where the only people who now have them, are the people who we didn't want to have them in the first place.

hi tazer
i agree with your statement.although,regarding the ceskoslovensky vlack i dont think so much would be said if ther name was 'czech alsation' as the 'vlack' part means alsation/wolfdog

I agree. If it was czech shepherd or saarloos hound, they probably wouldn't have been banned in the first place. But for some reason, when people hear the word wolf, like pitbull or rottweiler, they seem to think it automatically means child savaging monster, that must be destroyed. Or at least, thats what you get from some people. Quite irrational really.

Hi Dawn,(back to my novels )

The points you make are reasonable, valid and I totally understand where your coming from. I have to disagree with you on the other poster. The tone and content of the posts and way in which they were made leaves me with opinions which will be hard to change.

I do not take anything SE says as gospel but I value input from people through a variety of sources. In fairness SE is very humble with his advice and I dont think he presumes to have all the answers. However, I too disagree with some points he has made. I am aware that the "jogger" issue was fairly standard advice but this is no bad thing if it works-things have improved so there you go. The forum also provides an opportunity for likeminded owners to share experiences which all helps to gain a better understanding. I, myself, have also gained some extremely useful tips from a highly experienced Saarloos owner on the continent.

I think I have made my point about "novice ownership".

As I have already explained negative behaviours are on the down and positives on the up. Despite this im sure there will be hills to climb as they reach maturity.

My point is, I guess, there are far too many swathing generalisations which do annoy us as owners. Between myself and my partner we have a fair amount of experience with different breeds. We do not slavishly follow any advice-like everything in life I like to make my own mind up. The pedigrees are established on the continent- as far as im aware there are no cases of Saarloos related fatalities or serious injuries. Maybe you will correct me but that is the info I have to hand. Im not sure, then, how they are a "ticking time bomb". If I or my partner thought for one minute there was any risk to either of us or her son we would not own these dogs. Were quite fond of the cats too

I never wanted a "wolf"- I wanted dogs and thats what ive got. Their heritage does however make their behaviour unique to them. A Saarloos wolfdog (or cross) does require a steep learning curve- as do many dogs. I am not interested in parading round with a wolf- I am interested in running about the hills with my dogs.

I hope this dispells some of the misconceptions of ownership. Some of my conceptions have been sustained this evening and some blown out of the water

im sorry i missed that post
thankyou geezer actually you reminded me of 'animal' was that the drummer? he reminded me of my uncle whom we are burying tommorow
i too wanted a 'dog'
people sometimes forget all dogs have teeth,and all dogs can bite regardless of breed ;-) ;-)

Sounds like your Uncle was a bit of a character

Have a good cry tomorrow and dont feel daft about it for one instant.

Totally agree- all dogs have the potential to cause serious injury. Many to cause fatalities. As you probably know from one of my previous postings on CW I have unfortunately seen the results of such events. As far as I remember Golden Retrievers are statistically the dog which causes the most serious bites in the UK annually-these stats change all the time though.

Our dogs are very powerful animals. I, for one, take that very seriously.

I am probably more likely to be knocked unconscious by a post-dinner tripy fart though

Have a few glasses of wine tomorrow

Nite all!

No, I am not, and I have never said he was. He is distantly related to Hal, but I would not, and never have, described him as a wolf cross. I always describe him as a husky/malamute cross, and because he is registered as a Utonagan if the people I am talking to show an interest, I will explain what that is.

Neither have I ever said that just because I am mobbed wherever I go with Tai this somehow makes him special !! I am merely making the point that I do not see any other breed or type of dog getting the attention that Hal and now Tai gets ... even the lovely pure sibe who comes into our local pub sometimes, and the handsome Huskamute who lives in our village, as gorgeous as they both are. I can't change this fact, it just happens, as it has happened for the past 12 years since I have owned this type of dog. Facts are facts, you cannot change them. If you dissenters on here don't like it, then I am sorry for you, because you should not waste your time and energy on negative emotions !

However, this does NOT make my dog any more special than any other - all dogs are unique and lovely in their own right, we all think that our boys or girls are the best dog ever don't we?