What other wolf crosses have their been Discussions

Did I? Too early in the morning most probably !

I find it extremely sensible and good sense to pontificate so extensively and at great length about a subject which you clearly have little experience of Dawn. When you are offered the chance to learn, you say "what would be the point?" I despair.

Everywhere we went with Hal, we were approached by not only "doggie" people, but non-doggie too ... at dog shows, in the pub, the beach, walking down the street, everywhere we went. This is the same incidentally for all wolfy looking breeds, including the pedigree breeds such as Mals ... and huskies to a lesser extent. Now we have Tai, and the experience is even greater because Tai is more approachable and less aloof than Hal. Every single day we are stopped by tens of people in more busy places to ask what he is and how beautiful he is and can little Jonnie come up and stroke him. In the 41 years I have owned dogs, this has has never ever happened with any other breed or cross.

I remain convinced for ever and a day that you are just jealous. You really should have accepted my invitation Dawn ... you would have joined the long long list of Hal's fan club without a shadow of a doubt.

Exactly Banji, very well said.

I call it the Little Green Man syndrome

Well please don't then. I do not appreciate being told I abuse my dog !

Well said Geezer !! Perhaps you ought to try it and see what happens

mornin gnasher
oh sooo true!! (but my huskys are always getting stopped too, probably the bi eyed thing )

These are statements that annoy me because you seem to think it applies solely to wolf hybrids, wolf type dogs etc etc but I can apply that very sentence to my poodles. It is NOT a requirement solely for wolf type dogs.

If I ever met your lot I'd be one. These breeds are absolutely nothing that I look for in a dog. I met a true wolf hybrid 15 years ago when I just started out in dogs and learnt a lot from her owner!

I'm curious as to this statement because, even though me and BD do not see eye to eye, I cannot imagine in any way shape or form that she would ever want one of these dogs!

Doesn't that suggest something to you?

This is a flawed theory by many people. Very few wild populations of animals are diverse, they tend to be isolated due to environment and territorial behaviour. Many wild populations of animals are indeed very in bred.

You see yet another statement by a wolf type dog owner that implies their dogs are more special than any other breed. However, when I walk down the street with my poodles I can say exactly the same as you. Being approached by members of the public is NOT restricted to those who own a wolf type dog. You really need to start getting over yourselves!
Becky

Becky,

Again alot of animosity here from someone on Dogsey who seems to take it personally that Gnasher, myself and others think our dogs are special. Why is that such a great problem for you?

People are merely defending their breed against an onslaught of ignorance. Again- what experience do you have with any of these breeds?

If you dont like the dogs thats absolutely fine. These breeds are absolutely nothing you look for in a dog. Great- why cant you just leave it at that then instead of the continual critique?

Well according to Gnasher, I`ve got a wolf hybrid so ner. In fact small children often call out - it`s a wolf! so that must be right. Strangely, though, my german shorthaired pointer gets as much attention. Maybe they feel sorry for him cos he`s not a wolf.

Then stop going on about how 'special' they are, yes to you maybe but everyones dogs are special to themselves it's just that everyone who doesn't own these dogs does not feel the need to say how special their dogs are all the time.
Becky

Becky,

Sorry I got cut off there and didnt really finish what I was saying.

Why does it annoy you when I say my dogs require a great deal of sensitivity? What is the great issue? Where, anywhere, have I said I am in some way superior in my skills with dogs. I am not. I have learnt a little from owning these animals thats all.

Are you trying to say that a poodle and a 3/4 bred Saarloos cross are the same in temperament and behaviour? No- I dont think you are. So whats the issue?

You say youve met a wolf hybrid. Good for you. The term "hybrid" of course is incorrect as the mating of a wolf and a dog provides fertile offspring-not infertile. I spose Im being a bit pedantic here though.

Becky, when im out on a walk I dont wander round telling people Ive got wolfdogs/hybrids or whatever. If they ask I tell them its a Saarloos/x. If they inquire more then ill go into further detail. Most times I just wanna get on with a walk.

Nobody is boasting here. We are discussing lineage and how it affects behaviour- why that annoys you is beyond me?

Are you also puzzled why Borderdawn hasnt answered one of my questions? Are you also puzzled by my revelation that one of her secret sources is breeding high content timber wolf/czw wolfdogs in the uk. This "secret source" is again somebody shes never met and has just read these "revelations" from a website. Would you say this is a reliable source?

Becky,

If you dont want to hear about how "special" these dogs are then why come to a thread where their owners are talking about their own dogs? Clearly, if I went to a poodle thread and started having a go at poodles (not that im saying YOU are having a go at my dogs as your not) people would wish to provide the positives.

Why do you think I feel im superior? I cant understand your feelings here

Claire,

Again-as far as I can see all Gnasher has done is to explain the facts of the lineage of the GSD. She has not told you its a wolf. I probably disagree with Gnasher on any relevance to GSDs behaviour today though

Your actual statement was These dogs require a great deal of sensitivity and patience which is a sentence I can apply to my poodles 100%

Of course not but see my point above.

I never said you do, in fact most people probably don't go round shouting about their dogs, like you they just want a walk. However, others have stated that when out on a walk they get approached, seemingly more than other breeds, by people who 'love their dogs' when the reality is that probably every person on this forum could say the same thing. It is not a unique experience to wolf type dogs but only their woners seem to feel the need to shout about it!

I'm pretty certain she has already said she's never been 'knocked back' by a breeder, if this isn't what you meant then please elaborate, if you have evidence to suggest she has actually tried to purchse one of these dogs and has been turned down then please tell us!
Becky

You say that as if it makes it right
I would hope that people would learn from mistakes - not continue to make the same ones 'becasue thats how it was done in the past!'

George - my mothers spaniel X - nothing speical about her at all...but take her into a populated area and you had to keep a tally of the people who came over to her.
To the end of her days I could see nothing in her that was 'special' in any way - she was just a plain old mutt .....by my gosh did she pull the crowds...it was one of our standing jokes about her.
I Have also had this - to a slightly lesser extent with Jasper - everywhere he went he was loved by all - I would always be getting people asking me to keep them in mind if I ever wanted a new home for him.

Thats a bit of an odd statment.

Because it is a general thread. In fact I stopped looking at NI/Ute Wolf type dog threads in the end because it became so nauseating reading about these dogs. Fortunately the numbers of these type of people have dropped significantly so we don't get anywhere as near so many posts about them any more.
Becky

Becky,

Im referring to the numerous other questions in that long post I posed to her-all, as usual, unanswered. Including the "secret source" question which I beleive she has too provided no evidence for. I questioned Borderdawns motivations. I made a "lucky guess" on her CZW breeder secret source- maybe I got lucky with the Knockback question aswell ....or maybe not

Whos shouting Becky? Again you are on a woldog thread where people are talking about their dogs. It seems perfectly appropriate that people may wish to discuss the reaction they get. Again I cant understand your annoyance.

As already explained the Saarloos breed retains some of its wolflike behaviours through its uniquely recent lineage. It is also a dog not a wolf and has many behaviours which would be regarded as similar to many dogs. Have a look on the Saarloos breed websites-these people really know what they are talking about.

Maybe you feel the closed genepool and wolfmatings up to the 60s are not significant in behaviour. Thats absolutely your right- but, again, I would suggest the people that really know about these breeds are those that own them. Not novices like me but those with 20plus years experience. However, respectfully, I reserve the right to draw on my limited experience of ownership to share what knowledge I have

Ok so you find "these people" (rather large category) talking about their own well loved and cared for dogs "nauseating".

I think the answer really is for you to avoid these threads then.

There isnt really much else to add is there

What? since when was a Poodle crossed with a Wolf? Or breeds imported into this country for the sole purpose of crossbreeding and the mass production of animals to supply the pet market?

Im sorry Gnasher, if Im honest with all the lying you have done I find it hard to respond to you, however, I expect I have more "experience" with these dogs than many of the "owners" do, as they are self acclaimed experts before the pups have had their innoculations. Thats what I find amazing all the knowledge they have and all because they have had one for 5 minutes!!

Yes Gnasher Im jealous if that makes you feel better, however Im happy in the knowledge my dogs are from breeders who CARE, who do not flood the pet market with overpriced crossbreeds purely for financial gain, and whom breed from high hip scoreing bitches, and that I know my dogs are dogs and not some mythical celectial beings who's owners think they have something "special" when in fact they have a dog.

All our dogs are "special" to us, however Id look at the number of NI. BI and CsV/Saarloos crosses that have been returned to their breeders for any amount of reasons, then consider what the REAL aim and goal in them is.

OT but do I know you from elsewhere? I reconize the dog names, do you get anywhere without having to argue for your dogs