What other wolf crosses have their been Discussions

Would you ban GSDs then? The last wolf crossing there was 70 years ago.

Seriously Mini, im not trying to be efite or difficult here but there are definately shades of grey in this debate regarding some breeds.

I agree with you on the high% wolf cross stuff though-not my cup of tea. Theres lost of this stuff going on legally in America with F1s spending their entire lives in pens etc-not very savoury in my eyes.

Slightly different when you consider the Saarloos (or crosses) who are all way above F20. Some of them have even been known to go up the odd munro with their dads The only pen my guys are in is the boot of the car enroute to a nice walk

I am listening but I don't hear any talking....and I have read...I am talking about the defensive people obviously

AND I don't beleive I was talking about GSD's as they are dogs

Lol, I to like akita's but wouldn't cross them with a wolf. But then, the husky and mal arn't dogs for everyone, and although I'm sure you'd get lovely looking dogs, to me, crossing them with wolves is certainly making them even less suited to the average dog owner. Don't get me wrong, I like husky's and mal's, I just don't think crossing them with wolves makes for a managable pet for most people.

i agree (well almost if i knew what 'munro' was slang for.lol) i dont have a car and my csv comes everywhere with me ,now that defra have sorted themselves out over the ridiculous swd/csv thing;-)

...well you are certainly talking anyway

There's an old saying that goes something like, don't judge the acts of the past, by the standards of today.

Of course no one wants to ban the gsd, swh and cwd, but just because wolves were crossed with dogs x amount of years ago, does not mean we should do it now.

yep!!! husky,mals and akitas r hard enough without adding in a wild animal ! :?

Hi Tupacs2legs,

That gave me a chuckle

A munro is a mountain in Scotland over 3000feet. Kalluk, my older dog did his first one with me the other day.

I could probably save myself the cash on a car now as Kalluk is now just about big enough to stick a saddle on and ride to work

Yup..bit like yourself

A fair point tazer. Like I said im not a fan of high% wolf crosses either. I think, though, the wolf content in the history of these breeds gives us an insight into their behaviours. Less so with the GSD.

However, I respect Gnasher's point of view and believe shes as far away from "cruelty" as you can get!!

The pedigree Saarloos, for example, are definately a niche breed and not a working dog. For those with the time and patience they are perfect. The crosses are easier.

Much has been made of the "shyness" trait in wolves. Perhaps with the Saarloos (I have met pedigrees but dont own one) this shyness is more accurately described in that new people introduced have to spend time EARNING their trust and respect. This is a trait I like in the breed-their intelligence shines through.

Kojo, my six month pup (3/4 cross), however was anything but shy the other day when my girlfriend took him to meet her son after primary school. He adored the attention from all the kids. In other situations he is sometimes more reserved.

Conventional thought on dog training/psychology says that with proper early socialisation we can turn our dogs into ultra friendly animals as adults. This theory leaves no room for our dogs personalities, breed etc. No matter how well socialised I reckon the Saarloos pedigrees and high % crosses will always retain some of their reserved intelligence. I like this.

i agree with this, and this has always appealed to me about this breed of dog.

Cheers Banji. I think you maybe "get it" in the same way as me.

i agree with the shyness bit,altough my sibes are like this as adults as pups they were anyones!! waggy tails licks etc but my csv pup is very friendly and confident and will let anyone touch him, but he doesnt really acknowledge new people untill he has got to know them,then youve got a leeping croc!
i also like their reserved intelligence

Sound like cracking dogs.

I think there is more potential as a working dog with the CSV. Bit Lower wolf content etc.

My 3/4 bred Saarloos boys will just be good at running round the hills with me-thats about it

i did plan to do agility with him,but i actually think hes a bit too laid back:? :? but he is very trainable(he'l do anything for food,unlike sibes) and does have a nose like a bloodhound so i think hed be good at sar or tracking and maybe even competitive obedience dont think you could do that with a high % wolfcross although wasnt the dog from whitefang(always wanted him as a kid ') a husky/wolf hybrid??? darn it theres always one eh!!:twisted:

Always been my point, none of these so called "Wolf lovers" can really love them at all, otherwise they would appreciate the FACT that they are a wild animal not a pet dog kept in a house and took walkies. Some people reallly do have macho issues to the point where they will claim to love one species but then ridicule and stifle it by crossbreeding it and keeping them as pets. What was it Geezer, oh yes, "double sigh"!!!!!!!

Agree with that. This is just my oppinion but, I'd say the point of socialising a breed with a shy nature would be to show it that not everone it comes across need be feared, that not all people are a threat. It should be about teaching the dog about its environment and the people/other creatures in it, and not trying to remove certain inconvenient (sometimes) behaviours. If you don't like that trate, then its simple, choose another breed.

*triple sigh with cherries on top*

Borderdawn,

Can I assume that at least some of your post is directed at moi? If not who speicifically are these "so-called wolf lovers" you are so keen on providing swathing generalisations about?

Please direct me to the thread where I said I was a "lover of wolves"?

Where did I say I wanted a wolf cross as a pet?

There is nothing macho about owning a Saarloos X. Beleive me "One's" ego is swiftly set aside . Infact it may do you some good to own one- that is if you dont get knocked back as being unsuitable again

Sounds like a bit of sour grapes to me?

Again- a fair point tazer. I agree people who dont like this trate shouldnt choose this breed. I also agree with what your saying about teaching the dog about its environment.

I guess what Im saying is that the Saarloos breed in particular will always retain some caution with unfamiliar people (particularly males) even when well socialised. This is a direct result of their unique lineage.

They are completely useless, in my view, as a working dog. But this is not a reflection on their intelligence- they are extremely bright, very stubborn and independent.

I guess to explain my point of view- as adult dogs they make their own assessment on new people regardless of socialisation. Part of their independence I guess