What other wolf crosses have their been Discussions

~sigh~Im sure she is. Im not asking you to "prove" anything so chill out. However you did make a rather sarcastic remark towards Gnasher which was clearly a jibe against her knowledge of the GSDs history. Clearly you felt it was nonsense- im merely pointing out the facts. If you dont like that then fair enough

~double sigh~ Well its a little more recent than most other dogs Borderdawn. i.e. 10, 000 years ago

unbelievable the constant bickering about these fabulous dogs.

No whats unbeleivable is when people jump on you for making a comment and take it oh so personally in THESE threads

It's not the dogs we are bickering about!
Becky

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im sure everybreed has been crossed with a wolf at some point,probably for no good reason at all :twisted: but the people that like to breed these crosses as companions(mostly in the states) think that the best cross to use is sibe as they are not a guarding breed(and other reasons)just to note i love my sibes and would never want to cross one with a wolf although im sure they would LOOK stunning.

No need to ! You can find out the TRUE history of the modern-day GSD by googling Von Stephanitz Horund wolf cross, or his later name of Hektor. The ORIGINAL stud book is in the States, and a copy of it can be purchased on Amazon, second hand. However, it is rather expensive at well over $200 and I for one cannot afford that.

You only have to look at a GSD to see the close resemblance to the wolf. Which is why I love GSDs, I've never owned one, but I think they are lovely dogs and we happen to live next door to two gorgeous ones. The bitch is extremely wolfy looking, and is very wolf like in behaviour as well. She is aloof, shy and a lovely girl.

Yes, I hadn't noticed, but I see now !!

O, thank you for that Geezer, I have just posted a reply to ClaireandDaisy along these lines. I would love to buy a copy of the studbook (it is available on Amazon), but it is expensive and I for one cannot afford it just to prove a point! I was fully intending to buy a copy in case I ever needed to defend Tai in court, but luckily DEFRA dropped their ridiculous vendetta against wolf crosses and I didn't need to.

they have indeed ClaireandDaisy, but some are more recent wolf crosses. The whole DEFRA thing of saying that any dog with more than 1% wolf in its mix was illegal was just ridiculous, bearing in mind that the THE most popular dog in the UK - the GSD - was a recent wolf cross, going back to the early 20th century when Von Stephanitz's famous stud dog Hektor had as his dam a wolf bitch in Berlin Zoo !! As Hektor is, I believe, in ALL the GSD lines in the UK, that means that ALL GSDs in the UK are a fairly high % wolf cross - around 28%. Fantastic !

It's not possible werewolf, it is FACT !

The point is though BD is that Hektor is in ALL the lines I believe of the modern GSD. With a closed gene pool, that means that every GSD who can trace his or her lines back to Hektor is a wolf cross. Recent doesn't come into it, the genes are there for ever more until new input is made.

Am I to understand (from the defensiveness) that most of the people on here..actually think they own wolf crosses??

Gsd's arn't suposed to be shy. Sounds like poor breeding or lack of correct socialisation. Shyness, is not, in my oppinion a desirable trate for what is, one of the worlds most popular working breeds. A breed I also have a great attachment to.

As far as wolf content goes, I'm not bothered either way. I like the breed for what it has become, not what might have been.

It is also my understanding that this thread is about f1 crosses, not cwd or swh or gsd's.

good post tazer ;-)

Thanks .

Akita x wolf seems to be another popular one.

Don`t you like dogs, Gnasher? You seem to spend an awful lot of energy trying to persuade us that youur dog isn`t a dog?
And what on earth have you got against wolves? Wolves are magnificent creatures. Why do you approve of abuse? I believe forced out-breeding and `domestication` is an abuse of a wild creature.

whilst i like akita's i think thats a mix u defo wouldnt mess with lol sounds scary im sure any mix of spitz/northern breed LOOKS great but...............

It only takes around 7 generations to achieve that 1% barring backcrosses but even so many GSD's today will not have any significant wolf input.
However I will ask again, what sensible person wants a part wild animal (high % wolf cross) as a pet?
Becky

Becky,

I agree with you here on most points. The two factors affecting how much wolf (behaviour and looks) will remain in the genepool are 1) The % wolf content and 2) the F rating i.e. how many generations away from the original cross.

GSDs, I believe, are around 70yrs away from the original cross. Also, most wolfy traits have been selectively bred out.

The Saarloos breed on the other hand have kept many "wolfy" traits through selective breeding. They also have a higher (around 40%) wolf content within a closed genepool. They are not for everyone and virtually useless as a working dog for this very reason-unlike the GSD. They do however make amazing companion dogs for people willing to give them the commitment they need.

I would never want a high % wolf cross (wolfdog) and would be completely incapable of looking after one.